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[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

As is often discovered by those who realise the left is no longer their political home. It's changed so much in the past ten years it's almost unrecognisable.

Most conservatives really just want to not be bothered by other people's crap, financially or socially, and to be left to get on with theirs.

About the only really touchy subject is abortion, because an embryo is another person to most of them.

[–]whistlepig 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The republican party also changed a lot in the last 10 years. Before, they use to be the party known for being against social issues like gay marriage and were trying to involve religion into politics more. That appears to have changed a great deal since Ron Paul started speaking out back in 2008. There are still a lot of neocons in the party but right now they're forced to pay lip service to libertarian ideals since their voters have changed.

I didn't see it at first. But then I had a conversation with a marxist on reddit that insisted I was republican because I was pro free speech. That shocked me. I've spent the entirety of my previous life with the so-called liberal party being considered the free speech party and the conservative party who pushed for tv and movie censorship was considered to be against. But as you say, the times have changed and the lines have been redrawn.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had a similar realization to you. In 2020 it's considered "far-right" to support the 2nd amendment (especially a broad interpretation, like I do) and "right-wing" to want to ban abortion in most case. There's a big issue on the right as well: a lot of Republicans think protectionism is "left-wing" or that public banks are "communist."

The problem is both polarization and consolidation. The two parties have adopted increasingly extreme policies, while working together behind the scenes to undermine the American People. It alienates a lot of Populists and Centrists, like myself, and makes us resort to third parties — which is only a bad thing in our broken, two-party system.

A lot of people say the party switch happened in the 60s, but if you look at the state level (which, to self-promote, I made a map to visualize), you see that it actually happened in the 1990s and 2000s.

I remember when I was kid that Arkansas was a deep blue state, and now that I'm an adult it's deep red. We had a Democratic trifecta from 2008-2012, then almost immediately all the Democrats where voted out and it became a Republican trifecta — this was when the DP began doubling down on their identity politics and support of Wall Street.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was republican because I was pro free speech. That shocked me.

Tragically the case.

I remember back in the seventies when the ones wanting to censor TV and school books etc were all pearl clutching old, religious, conservatives.

Now it's a bunch of snotty Marxists, and the Marxists are violent. The worst the old pearl clutchers would do is shout in church.

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I remember when I was kid that Arkansas was a deep blue state, and now that I'm an adult it's deep red. We had a Democratic trifecta from 2008-2012, then almost immediately all the Democrats where voted out and it became a Republican trifecta — this was when the DP began doubling down on their identity politics and support of Wall Street.

I believe Conservatism is less about being left alone — that's Libertarianism — but rather about the preservation of our culture and way of life. A small federal government has always been a staple of American culture, but a lot of Conservatives support policies like protectionism and a strong national defense.

Furthermore, you have State's Rights Conservatives who believe the federal government should keep its hands off of most issues, but that the states should take some action.

The key difference between Liberalism and Conservatism, is how the government is used. The former seeks the utilize the government to enforce a moral code upon the plebs (political correctness), while the latter seeks only to do what is necessary for the preservation of the Nation (being the People).

The reason the former is associated with a large government, and the latter with a smaller one, is the very nature of theses ideologies: Liberalism's main goal is control, while Conservatism's main goal is protection. You don't have to control every aspect of someone's life to protect them, but you do if you want them to think a certain way.

A note: the Republican Party isn't a real Conservative party. They're more of a right-wing Liberal party pretending to care about Conservative issues.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Liberalism's main goal is control, while Conservatism's main goal is protection.

Succinctly put. I'd have gone with socialist not liberal though. I'm an old school liberal and those people are NOT liberal.

Once you show a conservative society isn't going to disintegrate by giving a minority equal treatment they'll normally back off the placard waving and accept the change.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Neo-Liberalism is what I should've said. I don't like any form of Liberalism, but I shouldn't be lumping traditional liberals in with these Marxists. I could be friends with a traditional Liberal, but not a Neo-Liberal — because the latter seek to involve their political beliefs with every aspect of life, and enforce strict guidelines upon their tribe.

I don't think Socialism is appropriate, because it's more narrow than Neo-Liberalism: it requires the government to play a major role in the running of the economy. There are plenty of people who don't support left-wing economics, but support left-wing social policy, and these are the people best labelled as Neo-Liberals.

A big reason Conservatives are afraid of queerfolks, is because most of them are anti-culture: most of them scream at people for being white, call everything racist, want to abolish the police, legalize drugs, etc. They also want special privileges masquerading as equal rights.

I'm the opposite of that — I guess you could call me politically incorrect — which is why Conservatives find me much more tolerable than an SJW, and I could be considered a Conservative of sorts. I also adhere to most American (especially Southern) cultural norms; I'm quite the Nationalist.

A big rule everyone should follow is the Golden Rule, Matthew 7:12

So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

This applies to everyone: straight, gay, cis, trans, religious, non-religious, etc. Even if you disagree with someone, you should treat them the same as you'd want them to treat you — even if they don't obey this rule theirself.

A lot of people on both sides ain't following this rule, and that's a major reason why we're so polarized and can't get no change.