Western Officials Admit Ukraine Is Crawling With CIA Personnel. The admission that NATO powers are so involved in operations against a nuclear superpower means we are closer to seeing a nuclear exchange than anyone should be comfortable with.

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[–]Site_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

How many Ukraine lies have been exposed so far?

Quite a lot. They lied when the Russians said they were just doing exercises around Ukraine's harbours - actually they were placing mines. They lied when the Russians said they were just on the borders in February for exercises - actually Biden and Johnson were right, an invasion was about to happen. They lied when they said that Ukrainians shot down Flight 17, or that the GRU agents were in Salisbury to look at the cathedral. So yeah they were caught in a lot of lies recently.

I was against the war in Iraq and everything I wrote is true so I don't know what you're on about really

ETA - a few more lies they were caught telling

  • they said the LNR/DNR leaders were locals but we later learned that Igor girkin works for the FSB

  • they said the Kramatorsk train station attack was done by Ukraine but we saw the missile casing was one from Russia's armoury

  • they said LNR/DNR were being genocided by Ukraine but denied access to observers from UNHCR, osce, EU, CoE bodies and all the world's free media since 2014

  • last night, like literally last night 25th June 22, they said they were firing missiles at Ukraine's decision centres but they actually targeted a kindergarten and a housing block

They're liars

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Good to know you're on the side of the US government. If there's an institution known for its honesty when starting wars I don't know a better one.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Bruh I already wrote, "Slava Ukraine and god bless America". I am not on the government's side, I am on the side of traditional American free market, free speech values, which Russia have attacked over and over again since 1917 and before. Both UA and US are putting their tools and sweat to work destroying rapist orcs - it's fantastic and exciting to see. If you really claim to support the orcs over freedom values, then you're lying

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

LOL America isn't under attack. This is yet another distant land full of people we couldn't care less about, and the government is lying to us to get us to support a war. Hunter Biden is up to his eyeballs in Ukraine corruption, which is well-known. The only winners will be Raytheon and McDonnell-Douglas.

Why you speakin' some weird fuckin' foreign language? Been fooled by foreigners into backing their interests over our own? America isn't under attack. There's no need to start a new war. It will be run by the same generals who lost all of the other wars we started.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

American values are under attack and America stands up for it's values, period. If you don't like living in the same world as the free USA, go live on a different planet.

If you just want to take the 100% selfish view, go look at why Woodrow Wilson joined world war 1. He knew that if the west lost the war, America would be frozen out of all the world's coming trade blocs, they'd be alone with noone to sell Fords and pineapples to. If the west loses today, America's world will get smaller and smaller (with no Taiwanese microchips to play video games on to pass the time).

I don't care about your Biden conspiracy theories, all I care about is watching Putin's new world order come crumbling down around him as America and traditional western values win the 21st century.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

We've had a decade of looking at images like this. If it's so important, go pick up a rifle and get out there.

We're sick of war. The idea of kids, just young American kids going to war for Europe when it won't even pick up and spend the money to arm itself is even more sickening to me now than ever. The same voices that screeched for us to invade Iraq are the ones that want a new war in Ukraine now.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't care who was in favour of Iraq war and what they're saying now. Maybe you should pay less attention to those people if you think they're "screeching". And I have no idea about the image you linked or what point it's supposed to make.

Americans aren't heading to war in Europe and they aren't going to. The CIA are there doing just normal CIA things. So I don't know what you're complaining about. American weapons were designed to destroy orcish rapists and now they're fulfilling their purpose without spilling a drop of American blood - it's fantastic, you should be happy that American boys are safe and sound, because you wrote about how sick of war you are.

Hey maybe if you're sick of war you should direct that sickness towards the genocidal orc rampage. Today they blew up a supermarket with ~1000 people inside, but you're not angry at them? Maybe the anger you feel at warmongers would be better directed at the facists mongering a war right now - almost suspicious how they don't earn a single drop of your ire, yet you pretend you're anti-war. And you wrote about all the lies -

How many Ukraine lies have been exposed so far?

Why aren't you annoyed at all the warmongering lies I posted above? Doesn't it annoy you when the government lies to start a war? If so aren't you pissed off with the facists right now?

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

We're supposed to get angry with the people the US government is telling us to get angry with? How stupid do you think we are?

The US government is the world's largest mass murderer. They killed 500,000 children in Iraq - before the war started. Here's Madeline Albright (a Jew) making a full confession on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYagQuqK31s

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: "We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

the US government is telling us

Nobody is telling me anything. Today the facists blew up a shopping center and left civilians who were buying food as charred lumps of coal. That makes me angry. I didn't need someone to tell me to be angry, I just was, because my brain works normally. Likewise I was angry at the Kramatorsk train station attack or when they released nerve gas in UK and put people in hospital - that made me angry without anyone needing to intervene.

How stupid do you think we are?

How stupid are you for NOT getting angry just because the Russian government told you not to be.

killed 500,000 children in Iraq -

And did it make you angry? Clearly it didn't, because all the facist crimes happening this year haven't made you upset with the facists, so I don't know why you bring up this whataboutism. You're totally fine with mass slaughter, admit it.

Here's Madeline Albright (a Jew)

Go fuck yourself for the Jew comment. Here's what she later wrote about the incident in her book Madam Secretary.

I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations…. As soon as I had spoken, I wished for the power to freeze time and take back those words. My reply had been a terrible mistake, hasty, clumsy and wrong. Nothing matters more than the lives of innocent people. I had fallen into the trap and said something I simply did not mean. That was no one’s fault but my own. (p. 275)

She says those comments were a mistake.

But it shouldn't matter. Because you don't care about the murder of children in Ukraine, so I don't think you care about the murder of Iraqi children.

And what, am I the Iraq guy now? Since when?

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're totally fine with mass slaughter, admit it.

You're defending someone who defended the mass slaughter of 500,000 children. A powerful person who doesn't need internet commenters to jump to her defense. Instead, defend the little guy. You know, like dead children.

Saddam didn't starve those children to death, US sanctions did. US sanctions kill millions all over the planet. They're a form of illegal siege warfare. We can't affect what other countries do, but we CAN affect our own.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The American values that are under attack are the ones that support infiltrating other countries to create, fund and train terrorists to wage civil wars in those countries.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Did...did you intend for this to be a description of LNR/DNR? Is this a 5-head comment. Because you're describing what happened to crimea and transnistria and Abkhazia with the infiltration and funding terrorist civil war. Those particular values don't need America's patronage. So are you in favour of USA and russia doing that - what you describe with the infiltrating and the civil warring - or are you against it? Is it ok when america and russia do it, or is it not ok for them to do? Because your post reads both ways

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Im talking about funding, arming, training Azov neo-nazis in Ukraine, MEK terrorists in Libya, ISIS terrorists in Syria, SDG in Bosnia, Mujahideen in Afghansistan, IRA terrorists in N.Ireland, RUF in Sierra Leone, NPFL in Liberia etc etc.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok so you're saying it's bad when America and Russia do it. So you'll join me in condemning america and russia for doing what you describe? Shame on Russia and shame on America. Right?

Because this thread started by you saying, that the great power tradition of funding friendly rebels, is what's under attack. Which was a pretty dumb take because it's a tradition that seems to be working fine for russia. So seeing as you condemn this method of realpolitik, you'll join me in saying the Russians were fucking awful fascist shitheads for what they did to transnistria and abkhazia and Crimea. Right?