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[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd like to think that my skepticism means I fall into the 140-160 range, but the way the article describes it, it's much more likely that these opinions put me in the sub-120 range. 😄

[–]sdl5 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is VERY important to recognize the high homogeneity high social compliance of Sweden in this analysis- they simply do not deviate from authority or social expectations or draw attention to themselves, and view making a scene or standing out as bad. Japan is very similar.

This algo would crash and burn in wildly proud of being individuals USA, even with the heavy weighting of uni grads and urban residents, not nearly as compliant as the Swedes btw 💁

Then these top comments say it all:

Global Sovereignty Solutions Writes Global Sovereignty Solutions Sep 26 Liked by eugyppius It all comes down to STREET smarts, not BOOK smarts.

Many 'smart' people - as defined by an MBA or a PhD, or as 'the system' defines it, were duped. Not just by C19 either, but by Ukraine and other things too.

Since 2020, I had a concrete realization of what my dad always told me - there's a difference between street smarts and book smarts. They're not the same, at all. One can read between the lines and see how the world really works - while those with book smarts can simply recite information when asked to take a test.

Huge difference.

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The Green Hornet Sep 26 · edited Sep 26 Liked by eugyppius Exactly.

Nothing to do with intelligence.

It’s a social pressure, herd mentality phenomenon coupled with a lack of critical thinking skills and common sense. In med school we called them ivory tower morons

[–]stickdog[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most "smart" people can sense when they need to go along to get along OR ELSE.

COVID was one of those cases.

So many people I know just seem to read only from the current issue of Tribal Talking Points and refuse to think these talking points through or consider how they contradict those of the previous decade.

When you ask people if they are going to keep getting a new booster every 6 months for the rest of their lives, for example, many react as if you asked them if they regret having children or practicing religion. Even the most obvious questions insult them.

What COVID showed me most of all was how few people actually even have consistent principles, much less follow them. Most people were blind tribalists, regardless of their level of compliance or noncompliance.

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Funny.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This phenomenon was described in a different way in Lies my Teacher Told Me. Specifically, about the Viet Nam war. Turns out that more education was positively correlated with support for the war, when 'common wisdom' would indicate the opposite.

Now the problem is even worse, because we've told everyone they need to go to university. That's an extra 4-5 years of institutional brainwashing and little to show for it other than crippling debt.

A recent poll found that more education is again, positively correlated with support for Ukraine.

It's a recipe for disaster.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I fear this article will convince some our most nitwitly trolls that their lack of success persuading us is because they are such geniuses. Some already think this.

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[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent!

[–]stickdog[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Excerpt:

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A long time ago, Dean Keith Simonton published an important paper on Intelligence and Personal Influence in Groups, which shows why it is that all of society seems to be dominated by the discourse of somewhat intelligent but never all-that-brilliant people. His central insight is that there exists a “range of comprehension” for a given level of intelligence. This is the range of less intelligent people who can still understand the reasoning of someone at the top of that range, and who are therefore susceptible to being persuaded by it. A near-genius with IQ 160 will be able to argue persuasively to his quite intelligent colleagues of IQ 140, but for the 50% of everyone with IQ 100, what he says will seem baffling. Because very few people are in the IQ 140–160 range, having IQ 160 is not very socially advantageous. If your goal is to make friends and influence people, it’s better to be substantially stupider.

This and other theoretical considerations lead Simonton to propose this chart of social influence (“potential adherents”) as a function of IQ:

Those who are of merely average intelligence don’t have much social influence at all. They find their intellectual superiors far more persuasive than their peers, at least to a point. Those who are very intelligent suffer from much the same disadvantage, because they are comprehensible only to a fairly small pool of slightly less intelligent people at the extreme right end of the curve.

Ours is therefore an IQ 120 midwit society; it could not be any other way. Those with the most influence have an upper comprehensive range extending to about IQ 140. They are still capable of internalising and mostly comprehending the criticism of the smartest professors. In the other direction, they look on the vast population of the unintelligent with a muted frustration, because their powers to persuade those with an IQ much below 100 are as weak as the power of their IQ 145 superiors is to persuade them. Since our midwit rulers are cognitively better endowed than probably 90% of the whole population, it’s easy for them to overlook the rare 10% of people who are smarter than they are. Accordingly, they throw all of their opponents into the same basket of intellectual deplorables, and commit themselves to unceasing wars against “disinformation,” to devising various social manipulation schemes and to banning the political opposition.

It follows that the ideas which dominate our world are not necessarily the best or the most rational approaches to things. They are rather those ideas which appeal to people whose intelligence is above average if less-than-phenomenal, and whose other personality traits optimise their institutional influence. They have the brains of upper middle-class professionals, and they’re also much more extroverted, conscientious and conformist than the broader population. In academia, where they dominate like nowhere else, we see a range of learned pathologies – not only a deep faith in irrational hygiene procedures like perpetual vaccination and masking, but a whole world of bizarre ideologies pertaining to human gender and biology, the environment and society. Something has obviously gone very wrong with these kinds of people, but – and this is the crucial point –* those things which have gone wrong with them are calibrated precisely to that midwit peak. However irrational the ideas current in this sphere, *their appeal will increase with intelligence up to a point that is very nearly out of sight from us, because people of outlier high intelligence are extremely rare and their influence is negligible.

This dynamic is the product of social, not rational, forces, which is why it is a grave mistake to assume that whatever the smart people happen to be doing at the moment is for that reason alone a good idea.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Neil DeGrass Tyson Triggernometry interview was one hell of a cringe-fest. I wonder what his IQ is?