Krystal’s mask has come all the way off.

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[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Hillary lost because all of her voters who diverted to Jill Stein. Eliminate her and Trump goes to being a "what were they thinking" laughingstock instead of what he became.

[–]stickdog 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Hillary lost because she was the most hated establishment representative in an election in which the vast majority wanted to punish the establishment. That you haven't comes to terms with this yet speaks volumes.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nice explanation from the populist point of view, but the fact is if that you add Jill Stein voters to Hillary voters, the whole Trump nightmare would never have happened. The bitterness is understandable.

[–]chakokat 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Hillary lost because she couldn’t understand “why aren’t I 50 points ahead” she asked angrily!!

(Among other unlikable things, like her unlikable self.)

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    [–]chakokat 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Like a SIDE OF BEEF!

      [–]chakokat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It'd be downright fun to watch her get thrown into a Secret Service van like a side of beef again

      Thanks for that memory!! Still makes me laugh!!

      [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      When even Vox admits a Dem talking point is false, it's time to abandon it.

      [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      If you are going to cherry pick other party's votes, then don't the Republicans get the Libertarians, and Hillary still loses.

      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      4x more people voted for Gary Johnson than Jill Stein and Trump still took it.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Um what? Hilary lost bc she didn’t campaign in the upper Midwest. Stein voters wouldn’t have voted for Hilary anyway. Greens don’t just de facto vote democrat. If a green isn’t on the ballot most just won’t vote or they write in. Lastly there’s this thing called the electoral college that has nothing to do with the Green Party.

      [–]mzyps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm glad Hillary lost. I would have been happy if Donald had lost too. The politics they represent is only intended to negatively affect myself or other citizens. I don't necessarily disagree or disapprove of absolutely everything those to politicians might do, and it remains that way with Mr. Joe, however on the balance I don't think it matters if I vote for one duplicitous shithead or the other. I voted for Jill Stein of the Greens.

      [–]mzyps 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Krystal, for me it's all about politics. It's never been about Hillary versus Donald or Donald versus Joe. That's Pied Piper talk for the third presidential election cycle in a row and I only want to vote for my interests, and against the interests of Raytheon, Exxon-Mobile, Goldman-Sachs, Moderna, etc. Media types would like to tone police and scold, from various quasi-political perspectives, and if that gives you sustenance, go for it -- however for me it doesn't mean very much.

      I'm all for hoping Joe or Donald or Hillary or CopBossKamala or TorturerRon or Elon or Jeff or Bill does the right thing, but I've learned to assume they won't and therefore avoid supporting their candidates, their "politics." Unacceptable amounts of evil. Africa? China? Russia? Ukraine? Europe? Israel/Palestine, Yemen, Iran, Syria? The hits roll on, do not change no matter what the voters would prefer, and only change if the ruling class, the investor class, decides they want a change.

      [–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Never forget that Breaking Points has the $1,500 Lifetime Membership built into their subscription model. This message is for those folks.

      [–]tsanazi2 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

      Cornell was on Rising. My takeaway is: in 2016 and 2020 the DNC pretended to incorporate progressive ideas in return for progressive support but the DNC's lies were exposed. Cornell's presence is a statement: fool me twice shame on you, fool me thrice shame on me.

      If Cornell stays in, I think his presence will at minimum kill the DNC as a forever-war party. At least I hope it does. The DNC can't win with 5% being pulled away.

      [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      They are getting worried.

      [–]tsanazi2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Interesting. Thx.

      I notice that's RV not LV. LV is usually more favorable to the GOP. Plus, doesn't the electoral college create an additional advantage for the GOP?

      My question is: what RV poll result would mean a dead heat in practice for 2024?

      [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      what RV poll result would mean a dead heat in practice for 2024?

      There are a lot of them.

      Though I'd argue that they'd need to be Biden +3.4 to be an actual dead heat.

      [–]tsanazi2 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      Let's see now: the top 3 GOP candidates are war-skeptical (Trump, DeSantis, Ramaswamy), the 2nd place Dem candidate is war-skeptical (RFK Jr.). The likely Green party candidate is war-skeptical. And the voters are clearly done with Ukraine.

      The establishment and the MIC are pulling off a political miracle if they keep this war going.

      [–]chakokat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      are war-skeptical....DeSantis, ....

      Nope. DeSantis already walked back the Ukraine war is a "territorial dispute” remark. He couldn’t even hold steady on that very mild sidestep of full on anti-Russia rhetoric.

      [–]ageingrockstar 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      I reject the portrayal of Ramaswamy as 'war-sceptical'. I see him as a voice for the significant part of the Republican party who want to switch the war-mongering focus (back) onto Taiwan / China. DeSantis the same.

      [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      Sadly this is true, but Vivek is a bit more nuanced I think. He sees US dependence on Taiwan semiconductors as a giant national security risk, which it kind of is. He argues that the US should guarantee that industry until it gets back-sourced to the US, and then let China have at it. But that's like decades away, so to-may-to/to-mah-to.

      [–]ageingrockstar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      And just to add, I certainly agree that the US should reindustrialise, including in key strategic industries. But there needs to be serious discussion around how to do so, and why the U.S. deindustrialised in the first place. None of this discussion has to include loudly hating on China, and if, as you say, it's going to take decades (I agree) then the smart thing would be to keep quiet with the war talk and just for the U.S. to put its head down and seriously focus on reindustrialisation. But that isn't happening, so again, that's why I think a lot of the talk around chip industries and such is concern-trolling and a smoke-screen for good old U.S. imperialist aggression.

      [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      But there needs to be serious discussion around how to do so

      Get rid of free trade except for maybe raw commodities, since those are distributed randomly. We should be making our own chips

      Then the smart thing would be to keep quiet with the war talk and just for the U.S. to put its head down and seriously focus on reindustrialisation

      The only way to do that is to seize control of the natural resources and the banks. You can't have sovereignty without that. No sovereignty, no decision making power.

      [–]ageingrockstar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      He sees US dependence on Taiwan semiconductors as a giant national security risk

      It's a security risk for a warmonger (both military and economic war). The warmongering around Taiwan is all on the U.S. side. Taiwan is a part of China; that was resolved 50 years ago. The U.S. is now going back on that resolution and trying to manipulate Taiwan into declaring independence, which is not in the interests of the Taiwanese ppl, just as Ukraine becoming a NATO proxy was not in the interests of the Ukrainian ppl.

      So tough luck Vivek, Taiwan's economy and semiconductor industry is already significantly integrated with that of the mainland. So how about you try calling for the U.S. to stop all the aggression and provocative actions towards China? But he won't, because he's a fraud, and he's using his 'concern' as a smokescreen for his hawkishness towards China.

      As for the U.S. re-establishing a chip industry back home, good luck with that. You've got anti-China sentiment being cultivated by Vivek & co directly in the U.S. media so that Taiwanese engineers who have been brought over to help set up new fabs in the U.S. are being hated on, or suspected of being Chinese spies. And the U.S. has declining engineering ability and actively punishes those who are trying to build new industries and develop engineering talent in the U.S. - see Elon Musk, who while cringey as a person in a number of ways, definitely has done amazing things for engineering in the U.S. The rest of the world looks on and think, why the fuck is the U.S. persecuting this 1 in a century genius engineering talent they have been gifted?

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        [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        The problem with American tech manufacturing is that the companies are all run by MBAs now. If a thing can't show a book-cooked profit by the next time bonuses and stock options are given out, it simply isn't going to happen. Tech companies are no longer run by engineers- they are run by the true PMC assholes, who are people trained to make money magically appear from the process of sucking the actual life out of companies to dump into their own pockets, with maybe a few pennies left over for the shareholders. Vampires don't do "new".

        📠

        We'd have a Moon colony if it wasn't for these bean counters

        [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        why the fuck is the U.S. persecuting this 1 in a century genius engineering talent they have been gifted?

         

        C'mon man, everyone should hire refugees to build spaceships. It's against the law to not violate the law.

        [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        They're already doing that, it's just under the guise of H-1B visas. The lawsuit and the sudden concern around this is just a distraction

        [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Just to put - well, maybe not a finer point on that, but I'll bevel it: in reality it's a decade away; he claims he could get it done in his first term. Whether that's a positive (only expects to maintain that commitment for 4 years) or a negative (improbable) is left as an exercise for the electorate.

        [–]dhmt 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        if they keep this war going.

        False flag tactical nuke. Blow up a biolab, that hides USA bioweapon evidence, then blame it on Putin,

        [–]rundown9 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        "If your priority is to get Democrats elected ..."

        Hate to tell her.

        [–]chakokat 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        The last honest thing Krystal said was when she enumerated why Hillary should not run for president.

        https://www.msnbc.com/the-cycle/dont-run-hillary-dont-run-msna265436

        Video in article.

        [–]tsanazi2 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Except she compliments Hillary. Ewww.

        [–]chakokat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Ewww.

        True.

        [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Really? A repetition of her age-old VBNMW mantra, that's what it took? Not the COVID lies? Not the Ukraine lies? This?

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I agree but this is 180 degrees from what Krystal advocated for in 2020. She literally went on the Young Turks and said people should not vote for Joe Biden, even if it meant a Trump win. I remember that interview bc Cenk was so upset by the Bernie or Bust mentality. Idk what happened to her? As soon as she left Rising and started dating Kyle her takes have been garbage.

        [–]fugwb 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        She wants a corporate MSM gig like she use to have. She's being a good girl.