BREAKING: Prigozhin Killed In Plane Crash

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[–]Xeenophile 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

On the bright side, an event like this is what led to "American Pie", so the Russian Century's already on-track to have its own tearfully-nostalgic generation-defining ballad!

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've heard Putin does a great cover of Everybody Loves Me, Baby 😺

[–]Xeenophile 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I guess if you were really drunk, "Prigozhin" might come out sounding like "Paul Wellstone"....

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imo the former hot dog salesman was tempting fate when he kept wandering into Russia after being exiled. Scott Ritter said the plane looked like it had one of its wings shot off. So it was not an explosive decompression.

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Where was Hillary? :D

[–]3andfro 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

He's listed as 1 of 10 passengers on a private plane that crashed with no survivors. Any idea who else was on board? "Eight bodies recovered so far."

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Dreizin says it was Wagner's senior command. IoW all the other guys in on the coup attempt.

What can I say? Trying to start a civil war, when your country is fighting for its survival, because you were unhappy that the military high command was not backing your glory seeking, is probably not compatible with your retirement plans 🤷🏾‍♂️

[–]3andfro 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for the answer. Makes me wonder who thought it was a good idea for them all to fly together.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

who thought it was a good idea for them all to fly together.

That's good evidence for the theory that it was a fake crash to make the West think the Wagner leadership was wiped out.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Plans within plans within plans...

[–]chakokat 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Possibilities:

Sabotage BUT by whom??

The Ukrainians?

By the US/West who feel they were double crossed by Prigozhin, he met with some Ukranian officials/military(?) in Africa and others who thought he would lead a rebellion against Putin?

By people loyal to Putin/ Gerasimov/ Shoigu because of Prigozhin's betrayal of Russia with his mutiny?

By the French/West because of Wagner's involvement in Africa ( Mali, Niger etc )??

A false flag by Prigozhin to disappear and start an new life elsewhere??

So many possibilities....

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's one angle no one is considering: it was Prigozhin himself! There are many copies...

[–]chakokat 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I considered it. ;-D

A false flag by Prigozhin to disappear and start an new life elsewhere??

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Cui bono

Crossing Putin wasn't the best plan.

[–]chakokat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Putin doesn’t “benefit” by having everyone think that Prig was killed on his orders. Does he?

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Pro tip: if you want to send your head of state a message, try a phone call.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And the rumor mill goes into overdrive.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Moon of Alabama has lots of comments about the plane crash in today's excellent article Sunk Cost Fallacy In Ukraine

As usual with Moon of Alabama comments, bring salt.

Posted by Biswapriya Purkayast (usually requires lots of salt IMO) | Aug 23 2023 17:20 utc | 13:

Breaking news:

A private jet belonging to Prigozhin has crashed in Tver, allegedly with eyewitnesses saying it was shot down by Russian air defence. Conflicting claims on whether Prigozhin himself was on board. Tver is northwest of Moscow and very, very far from Ukranazistan so any innocent mistaken identity shooting down is out of the question.

If Prigozhin is really dead and if the plane was really shot down nothing will convince any sane person that it was not deliberate murder at the orders of Shoigu/Gerasimov.

Posted by Ed4 | Aug 23 2023 17:21 utc | 14:

Reported on board the "crashed" aircraft:

Yevgeny Prigozhin
Dmitry Utkin

Russian air defense *shot down the plane*

Posted by Ed | Aug 23 2023 17:27 utc | 20:

RT Breaking News.

Wagner chief among passengers on crashed plane – officials

Evgeny Prigozhin was listed on board the Embraer Legacy that crashed with no survivors, authorities have reported

Wagner chief among passengers on crashed plane – officials

A private jet traveling from Moscow to St. Petersburg crashed on Wednesday in Russia’s Tver Region. The Russian Emergencies Ministry said all 10 people on board had died. Rosaviation has since said that Evgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Wagner Private Military Company, was listed among the passengers.

OK, it is conspiracy time folks.

Posted by unimperator | Aug 23 2023 17:32 utc | 23:

My guess is Prigozhin will pop up giving interviews within 2 weeks. This is just another coordinated scenario to make fools out of the west.

[–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A Lot to unpack with this one and more will be revealed in the coming days.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder who the other six passengers were.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"My God, he's fallen out the window!" cried a quick-witted editor.

-- James Thurber, "The Greatest Man in the World"

[–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Just reading the comments on the article. Some are claiming this was done by Banderastan.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There are many potential suspects. I have trouble imagining the Russian government was behind this, whatever their private wishes were, because of the inevitable blowback it would elicit from a population that sees Prigozhin and Wagner as heroes. The Ukrainians and their Western handlers would love to see him die, especially in a way that could incriminate the Kremlin; and they haven't been averse to targeted assassinations of Russian public figures or attempts at same. There's also Russian nationalists among the population and leadership who no doubt saw Prigozhin's mutiny as an act of treason so they shouldn't be ruled out.

[–]sdl5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The liberashka are also clustered around the Moskva St Pete zones, and most would have jobs of some kind.... with potentially access to info or sabotage. They certainly have done recently.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In today's Barnes Brief, he notes that Prigozhin was in Central Africa in the last day or so based on a recent media post. I'm sure this post will show up in someone's Twitter feed if that's indeed the case. The other thing he pointed out, which I think someone addressed above, is that people killed in a plane crash often don't get identified. IOW, this could have been a feint to make it look like he's dead for strategic or personal reasons.

[–]chakokat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IOW, this could have been a feint to make it look like he's dead for strategic or personal reasons.

Maskirovka? Possible.

[–]Xeenophile 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

...Or tax-purposes, always a pan-galactic favorite.