BREAKING NEWSDeSantis is Secretly Woke, Here's Why

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[–]Orochiwe don't need no water let the mother[honk] burn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mainstream GOP panders to the idea of being against woke stuff by perpetuating the culture war from the opposite direction. "The left is at war with all the manly, white, Christian, patriotic real American citizens that like flags and guns, so vote for me and I'll fight for our side!"

IdPol multiplied by -1 is still IdPol, and it still serves the agenda of dividing the American people against each other.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nailed it. They are two sides of the same coin.

There's only one way to end the culture war: remove those who are funding all of it from power. Once that happens the incidence of sexual minority will return to its natural level, and I think most people will leave them alone after that. If not, and you go out of your way to harass someone who is gay and otherwise minding their own business, well there's always room in the gulag for one more

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The man enjoys torturing people. I don't give shit if he's "woke" or not.

[–]risistill me 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What's woke about preferring a male to a female?

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that's your takeaway you completely missed the point

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

It's not that complicated. DeSantis is nothing more than a normal pre-Trump Republican with neocon tendencies, trying to pander to the post-Trump party, and failing because his pre-Trump connections are pulling him in the other direction.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tendencies?

No, he's a torturer. The anti-woke stuff is to hide the imperialist BS deep down.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

And also because Trump supporters have learned to spot the snake oil salesmen. It's taken longer for those of us on the left to cultivate that ability.

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The history of the two parties post Civil War explains a lot.

Post civil war, Republicans used Reconstruction to their own advantage, white Republicans getting themselves elected to more offices than blacks, even though most people think of Reconstruction in terms of blacks holding office. Many black "Lincoln Republicans" remained loyal to Republican party until JFK or later. (For example, Martin Luther King, Sr. was a "Lincoln Republican" until JFK spoke to him and Coretta King.)

Post Civil War, Republicans also got cosy with Northern bankers and made few, if any bones about being the party of the investor class. So their lip service consisted of things like "job creators." So, the gap between their bipartisan deeds and their rhetoric was relatively small.

While Democrats had the "Solid South" for a very long time, elsewhere, they were forced to seek support from immigrants, unions, labor and, in general, the less privileged. The Great Migration, which began in the late 1800s, forced them to add blacks specifically and, of course, the largest voting demographic, women. So their lip service went in those directions. When the party went obviously full bore neoliberal, the gap between Dem rhetoric and Dem actions got more and more obvious.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Post Civil War, Republicans also got cosy with Northern bankers and made few, if any bones about being the party of the investor class. So their lip service consisted of things like "job creators." So, the gap between their bipartisan deeds and their rhetoric was relatively small.

Yes, exactly. On the one hand you had pro development Republicans in the vein of Hamilton, but by the time of Roosevelt they had been pushed aside in favor of the pro financial abstraction crowd.

Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration

- Abraham Lincoln. Probably why he was assassinated.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah... The Reconstruction Era would have devastated slavery and it was allowed to rebuild after his death.

The ruling elite got what they needed out of the country while raking workers over the coals and taking them to the robber baron era.

[–]risistill me 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I largely agree about labor. However, I would also give ideas and entrepreneurship some credit.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a great summation.

[–]risistill me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

An honor. Thank you.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I think the left's disadvantage in that regard is due to its infinite kaleidoscope of causes.

 

What is the left today? Is it one of a thousand kinds of idpol? Do you have to demand reparations, taxpayer-funded transgenderism, open borders, free healthcare for illegal aliens? Is it Bernie-style "socialism" which is basically capitalism with more safety nets? Is it bandaids on top of capitalism or actual socialism? Is it censorship? Is it gun bans? Is it a competition to be more anti-Russian than the next guy? Is atheism a requirement? How about abortion? Can you be against robbery and riots and looting and still say you're on the left? Are you allowed to criticize public schools? Are you even allowed to criticize pedophilia?

 

So many things have accreted onto whatever "the left" might mean, most of them ridiculous, evil, or irrelevant. If the left is going to be a meaningful force again in American politics, it has to take a very long and very hot shower with a very big pumice stone.

 

The conventional wisdom was that the GOP is rigid in its requirements: you must embrace militarism, capitalism, and Christianity. But in practice what we've seen is that Trump easily repudiated the first two, at least rhetorically, and his supporters didn't care about his Christianity as long as he promised to fight the anti-Christians.

(I'm reminded of CNN polling back in 2016. Gloria Borger, as I recall, was pointing at a particular crosstab in frustrated bafflement at Trump's continued dominance: "But he never wins Shares Our Values! I don't understand it!"

I smiled and told my television: "Poll can and will defend our values, Gloria.")

So now Trump supporters don't have to consider very much at all. Is this candidate against things that make my life worse? That seems to be pretty much it.

What's grimly amusing is how big an ask that seems to be for most American politicians of either party. Don't make my life worse. You'd think that would be a baseline. But people like Mike Pence and Tim Scott find it an impossibly high hurdle instead.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is the left today? Is it one of a thousand kinds of idpol?

If 'left' still means anything, it'd be at the very least what you end up with once you remove all of this from the equation.

Forget those who are focused on idpol bullshit. Any idpol bullshit. Those who remain focused on actual that would help workers and the poorest people are the ones who still have a chance of being worth the 'left' label.

The idpol-whores are nothing. They're not left or right. They're whatever their opinion-handlers tell them they should be at any given point in time.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

What's grimly amusing is how big an ask that seems to be for most American politicians of either party. Don't make my life worse

That was the ask, before Trump. Now this movement (the Real Movement) has positive content. It is actually for something not just 'leave me the fuck alone'

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Sure, but you're talking about the movement. There, I was talking about the parties. Right now it's still possible for Republicans like Mike Pence and Tim Scott to run and get donations in a Republican primary while supporting war.

I'd like to see a Republican party in which the mere idea that you could hold a pro-war position would get you laughed out of the room. Like a Democrat running against abortion.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I'd like to see a Republican party in which the mere idea that you could hold a pro-war position would get you laughed out of the room.

That party used to be called CPUSA but just like the Republicans they're simps for the Democrats now 🤷🏾‍♂️ Well hey at least the Libertarians are willing to die on this hill. Good for them

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

An idea I've been pondering is that maybe the reason Libertarians never get anywhere is because they already won. They infected both the other two parties to such a degree that they have only goofy detritus left to distinguish themselves.

The Democrats took the amoral hedonism and the Republicans took the amoral capitalism. Both adopted the atomization of society, and eventually, to one degree or another, the favorite subject of all Libertarians: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.

All they're left with is what, privatizing roads? Sure, that'll get people excited.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The dark side of libertarianism, sure. Their problem is they're stuck in the Anglo box, the place where semantics rule. It's not that the Libertarian instinct is incorrect, it's that the implementation sucks.

I think that in America, for Libertarians to get what they say they want, they need to become Communists, and for Communists to get what they say they want, they need to become Libertarians.

You might be interested in following Jehu on Twitter, he's trying to reconcile these two positions.

Communists have never ended wage labor anywhere. And libertarians have never reduced government. Two radical tendencies that have always been a disappointment to their supporters.

The failure of both tendencies has been so complete that I am tempted to ask what each might be willing to give up in order to realize some measure of progress on the issue they are most identified with.

For instance, would communists give up their insistence on the dictatorship of the proletarians if by doing so they could realize the end of wage slavery?

And what of the libertarians? Would they give up their obsession with private property, if by so doing they could realize the complete abolition of the state?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's been a mergeance through Caleb Maupin and the Libertarian Party with alliances such as Rage Against the Machine and the anti-war rally on August 6th.

We're starting to get that and I'm soon going to begin working to make that grow larger.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Interesting. Thanks, I'll give him a look. What do you think of the Mises takeover btw?

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What do you think of the Mises takeover btw?

Based. I'm not comfortable with their occasional public racism but the way I see it is I'd rather be alive to have my feelings hurt than never feel anything ever again

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

it has to take a very long and very hot shower with a very big pumice stone.

You have such a way with words ;-D

Don't make my life worse. You'd think that would be a baseline.

Ain't it the truth? But a lot of this is due to self-absorbed blinders. Someone noted wrt Joy Behar claiming that the economy is booming that for people in her income bracket, it is. And the misguided idpol dolts on the "left" are just as blind to the kitchen table issues that materially affect average Americans, the only ones they really care about.

But this is the most important observation you made IMO:

I think the left's disadvantage in that regard is due to its infinite kaleidoscope of causes.

This is absolutely true and they're like ideological hoarders when you try to point out they need to narrow things down to critical core issues to build a large enough base - those leaning left OR right - to make a difference; IOW, find what the largest number of people agree on. My first one would be that any candidate wanting my vote needs to pledge to uphold the oath they took or will take to defend the Constitution "against all enemies both foreign and domestic" - beginning with any attempts to censor free speech. The Constitution is imperfect but it's still the law of the land and it's the only thing we've really got that we can point to and say, "these are the rights we are guaranteed under the Constitution and if you aren't prepared to protect it then own up to that and deal with the political consequences."

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You have such a way with words ;-D

Thanks :) I was toying with another analogy while thinking this through: a king kneeling before his hired mercenaries, and swearing allegiance to their banners. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but that's the image that comes to mind when I think of the Democrats. They're constantly paying off so many niche interests and pledging more payoffs in perpetuity, because if they deviate one inch they'll get called somethingphobes.

I might be more sympathetic if they hadn't gleefully engineered the trap they find themselves in.

As for the remedy, I agree with your aim but I don't know if Democrats (or even just the left, as a movement) can get there. This hoarding, this accumulation of ideological barnacles, has been going on for how long now? Was it sometime in the '70s when the American left decided feminism was integral to Marxism? De Beauvoir was in the '50s if we want to go further back...

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think there are many on the left and the right who would be willing to work together to tackle the problems if they just knew how to go about it. But you'll be overwhelmed at the outset if you don't start with core principles and non-negotiable issues that both sides can agree on. Starting off by trying to slay this humongous fire-breathing dragon won't work but sticking your sword in its foot may give you an opening to keep hacking away at its various parts.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

How funny you should put it like that 😄 I made this little cartoon about a year ago.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm in awe of people who can draw, especially those who can convey a lot in one cartoon.

But it must be a great concept if two strangers thunk it a year apart!

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Clipart, sadly I can't draw a straight line, which is weird because my mom, my aunt, and several of my cousins are rather gifted :/

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that but I also feel better because I can't draw a straight line either and misery loves company.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

one of a thousand kinds of idpol?

Or climate activists, or animal rights, or gun control or whatever pet cause, most based in "science."

Far better would be to stick to Bernie's top three.

  • "Free" college, paid for by ending the cap on payroll taxes.
  • Medicare for All
  • Criminal Justice Reform, ending private prisons and MJ criminalization.

Just like MAGA has

  • Secure Borders
  • Tarrifs on China
  • No new wars

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    [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    if you're some like right-wing person who's just like feels persecuted by the status quo, ditch the Nazi shit man. Because you don't know how much you're being psyopped and you don't fucking know how much... that shit is what they believe.

    You're supposed to be a Christian who believes in the opposite. You should believe in the light, not the darkness of what our reptilian Elites worship.