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[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

NATO has been a necessary response to Russian aggression and the nuclear threat, OBVIOUSLY. WTF.

False NATO's original purpose was dual containment of Germany and Russia:

Washington, D.C., December 11, 2018 – In the Fall of 1966, as part of an ongoing debate about the U.S. troop presence in Western Europe and the role of NATO during the Cold War, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara sent an illuminating memo to President Lyndon B. Johnson to explain the political reasons for keeping U.S. troops in Europe. The rationales, he wrote, were to maintain NATO’s “cohesion,” to prevent Soviet “political blackmail,” to deter “any bilateral Soviet-FRG [Federal Republic of Germany] security agreement,” and to discourage “the revival of German militarism,” according to a collection of previously classified documents published today for the first time by the National Security Archive,

Against the current backdrop of discussions at the top levels of the U.S. government over security guarantees in Europe , McNamara’s memo and a selection of other declassified U.S. documentation posted today by the National Security Archive provide historical context for decades of U.S. policy toward Europe and more specifically the functions of NATO and the relationship between Germany and European security. Since the formation of the North Atlantic alliance in the early years of the Cold War and the decision to keep U.S. troops in Europe, U.S. policymakers have generally seen those commitments as critical to both U.S. and European security.

With World War II then only two decades past, concern that a West Germany unmoored from alliance relations could turn revanchist or make deals with the Soviet Union remained in the thinking of top American policymakers. Declassified documents in today’s Web posting demonstrate how the United States and its allies established NATO partly to reassure France about Germany. The allies then brought West Germany into the alliance as a deterrent against the Soviet Union but also to ensure that it did not develop independent military forces. During the 1960s State Department intelligence analysts described that arrangement as a means to “contain” the West German state so that it developed in harmonious association with former adversaries and avoided militarism or security arrangements with the Soviet Union.

The point maintained around the world through the Cold War was US hegemony, which China and Russia currently interfere with as they are superpowers in their own right as it stands.

While Russia did NOTHING as aggressors to other countries?

Emotional outbursts are not arguments. Either provide evidence and substantiate your claims or they will be dismissed out of hand as the temper tantrum of a child unfit for discussion.

False - there was NOTINNG to loot.

Incorrect. Russia has commodities that were exploited during that breakup, but for current times, you can see the commodities in real time here

Corruption in Ukraine is a very complex topic, related especially to pre-2014 Russian corruption in Ukraine.

They are not that complex. The highest levels of corruption with the EU is with Ukraine and as Megan alluded, the 2014 Maidan coup, which is substantiated extensively through reporting is what helped support setting 50 people on fire in Odessa as well as Nazis in Ukraine which even the NYT has had to acknowledge.

More disinformation from Russia, obviously.

No, reported because Hunter Biden's laptop implicated Joe Biden

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections has been proven many times.

The irony here is that Prigozhin was the person to start the Internet Research Agency, exile himself into Belarus, and that "Russian interference" you believe so much was very little money in the end:

Spending: Also hurting the case that the Russians reached a large number of Americans is that they spent such a microscopic amount of money to do it. Oxford puts the IRA’s Facebook spending between 2015 and 2017 at just $73,711. As was previously known, about $46,000 was spent on Russian-linked Facebook ads before the 2016 election. That amounts to about 0.05 percent of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined. A recent disclosure by Google that Russian-linked accounts spent $4,700 on platforms in 2016 only underscores how minuscule that spending was. The researchers also claim that the IRA’s “manipulation of American political discourse had a budget that exceeded $25 million USD.” But that number is based on a widely repeated error that mistakes the IRA’s spending on US-related activities for its parent project’s overall global budget, including domestic social-media activity in Russia.

How do you support millions of innocent Ukrainians are being bombed, displaced, raped, tortured, and murdered by Putin's war criminals,

The ones doing the bombing, displacing, raping, and torturing would be the SBU of Ukraine which also has Americans on a kill list as we've laid out on Saidit a while back.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

NATO's original purpose was dual containment of Germany and Russia

The ones doing the bombing, displacing, raping, and torturing would be the SBU of Ukraine

Absolutely not

You and your sources use misleading information about un-verifiable events in order to support the bombing, displacement, raping, torturing, and murdering of millions of innocent Ukrainians by Putin's war criminals. You'd rather support Putin's war and believe the obvious Russian lies you mention here than see what Putin's war criminals are doing? WTF is wrong with you?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You and your sources use misleading information about un-verifiable events in order to support the bombing,--

As mentioned before, you are throwing an emotional temper tantrum and ignoring information when it's presented right in front of you.

The Maidan coup was when America funded Nazis in Ukraine that they took over the government offices, set people on fire, and became the government of right wing terror as shown in the links you ignored with the SBU.

If you're incapable of looking at sources, cross referencing information, looking at information historically, and only capable of emotional outbursts, you're nothing more than an emotionally stunted child who can keep their beliefs while the grown ups can look at what's occurring.

You've been given the links, you have had no counter links or substantive argumentation that refutes the data from NSA Archives or any other place such as NY Times.

The choice is now yours to make a counter argument with substantiation.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nothing in my responses is emotional or compares with your long essays of whining and misinformation. You're depending on disinformation and misinformation in order to support the bombing, displacement, kidnapping, raping, torturing, flooding, and murdering of millions of innocent Ukrainians by Putin's war criminals. It's simple: there's no excuse for any of this. None. You've got nothing that excuses Russian war crimes. Hence I ask: what's wrong with you? Or to put it another way: what specifically is redeemable about you? Anything?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You have yet to substantiate your argument, you're merely trying to make this personal and have yet to prove any claims counter to what Megan has shown and was independently verified.

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I responded to your attacks. Any other responses from me will only get the same kinds of attacks from you. It's boring.

As I note, nothing excuses Russia's invasion. Your attempts to excuse the invasion reveal that there is nothing redeemable about you.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You have yet to provide any argumentation about Russia, merely attacked my character and focused extensively on your beliefs.

That is the emotional output of a child.

If you want to discuss Russia, provide an article and substantiate your claims.

Otherwise, Megan's responses, as independently verified hold true in this argument.

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I responded

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Substantiate