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[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Instead of laughing at a necessary administrative decision, you might see that millions of Ukrainians are being bombed, displaced, raped, tortured, and murdered by Putin's war criminals, only because the criminals want to do it, and for no other reason. The Way - or the way fo the Bern - is concern for these war crimes and attrocities, and the need to stop the war by pushing the war criminals back to Russia.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

and for no other reason

Yeah because the reckless and pointless expansion of NATO isn't a thing.

We've been the aggressor against Russia for 30 years, but that isn't a thing either.

We looted the former Soviet Union the instant it collapsed, allowing and even encouraging apparatchiks and crimelords to flee the country and transfer their bank accounts to the West, letting services, industry, and employment collapse in their wake, causing widespread alcoholism, drug addiction, and skyrocketing abortion, but these are not things.

The bipartisan use of Ukraine as a money-laundering service for the American political elite and their useless spawn, the vicious genocidal war waged by Kiev against the people of the Donbas, the idiot CIA's Maidan coup, none of these are things.

US-funded biolabs on Russia's border are another non-thing.

The Democrats' insane Russiagate hoax, rejecting Putin's overtures and throwing them back in his face for decades, our use of Nazi catspaws against his country, NOT THINGS.

Canceling an election while "fighting for democracy," however, this is definitely a thing. A necessary thing. Just like jailing priests, and banning opposition parties and confiscating their assets.

How are you even real?

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Yeah because the reckless and pointless expansion of NATO isn't a thing.

NATO has been a necessary response to Russian aggression and the nuclear threat, OBVIOUSLY. WTF.

We've been the aggressor against Russia for 30 years, but that isn't a thing either.

While Russia did NOTHING as aggressors to other countries? How fucking delusional is that?

We looted the former Soviet Union the instant it collapsed, allowing and even encouraging apparatchiks and crimelords to flee the country and transfer their bank accounts to the West, letting services, industry, and employment collapse in their wake, causing widespread alcoholism, drug addiction, and skyrocketing abortion, but these are not things.

False - there was NOTINNG to loot.

The bipartisan use of Ukraine as a money-laundering service for the American political elite and their useless spawn, the vicious genocidal war waged by Kiev against the people of the Donbas, the idiot CIA's Maidan coup, none of these are things.

Corruption in Ukraine is a very complex topic, related especially to pre-2014 Russian corruption in Ukraine. It's a problem that takes a long time to address. And the CIA claims are absollute nonsense. And money laundering happens in many countries.

US-funded biolabs on Russia's border are another non-thing.

More disinformation from Russia, obviously. All countries have labs. All of these labs are relatively harmless. Really stupid to assume that you know what's happening in a lab, unless you have direct evidence.

The Democrats' insane Russiagate hoax, rejecting Putin's overtures and throwing them back in his face for decades, our use of Nazi catspaws against his country, NOT THINGS.

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections has been proven many times. WTF.

Canceling an election while "fighting for democracy," however, this is definitely a thing. A necessary thing. Just like jailing priests, and banning opposition parties and confiscating their assets.

Doesn't make any sense.

How are you even real?

How do you support millions of innocent Ukrainians are being bombed, displaced, raped, tortured, and murdered by Putin's war criminals, only because the criminals want to do it, and for no other reason? You'd rather believe the obvious lies you mention here than see what Putin's war criminals are doing? WTF is wrong with you?

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

More disinformation from Russia, obviously. All countries have labs. All of these labs are relatively harmless. Really stupid to assume that you know what's happening in a lab, unless you have direct evidence.

I hate piling on, but I was traveling yesterday and didn't have the time to look up the links.

Here is the admission that the Ukrainian labs are very far from harmless, and at a minimum contain hazardous material that can be used as a biological weapon (warning, NSFW - Nuland Slagbeast Found Within)

Here is the Pentagon's admission that we funded at least 46 of those facilities for 20 years:

The United States has also worked collaboratively to improve Ukraine’s biological safety, security, and disease surveillance for both human and animal health, providing support to 46 peaceful Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and disease diagnostic sites over the last two decades.

Please remember the legal principle of declarations against interest and the concept of limited hangouts whenever you assess evidence.

I'll leave it at that, since Inuma has thoroughly addressed all the other points.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, but this:

Here is the admission that the Ukrainian labs are very far from harmless, and at a minimum contain hazardous material that can be used as a biological weapon

Is false.

So do bio labs exist inside Ukraine, and is the US supporting them?

Yes, and yes. Ukraine does operate biological laboratories that receive US funding. The US undersecretary of state Victoria Nuland affirmed those facts in a Senate foreign relations committee hearing this week, in which the Republican senator Marco Rubio asked directly if Ukraine had biological weapons.

Nuland did not answer the question head on. “Ukraine has biological research facilities,” she said, adding that there was concern that Russian forces were trying to gain control of the labs. “We are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.”

Nuland’s comments were seized upon by far-right commentators as evidence of a secret plot. In fact, US funding to the laboratories had its roots in the fall of the Soviet Union, after which money was pumped into Ukraine and other countries to help them transfer scientific skills away from weapons towards public health.

The scheme was originally known as Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) but is now more commonly referred to as biological engagement. It has been successful in helping former Soviet and other countries fulfill public health obligations.

“This is one of the best things that we do,” Dr Gigi Gronvall, senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told the Guardian.

Most of the work of the Ukraine labs today, Gronvall said, involves surveillance of diseases in animals and people as an early-warning system for illnesses such as African swine fever, which is endemic in the region.

“We know pathogens don’t respect borders, so helping to put out public health fires before they become too big is an advantage to all of us,” she said. Do the Ukraine laboratories store dangerous biological agents?

As part of their work the labs do seem to hold dangerous pathogens. We know that because WHO is urging Ukraine to destroy any highly dangerous agents to avoid the risk of a disastrous outbreak should one of the labs be hit by Russian forces.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-biological-weapon-claim-us-un-ukraine-bio-labs-explainer

This is an ADDITIONAL reason Russian should not invade Ukraine, or continue bombing civilian buildings.

[–]Trouble1980 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fact that some people still blame Russia for the 2016 election instead of Hillary’s complacency and incompetence really shows how we shouldn’t take them seriously.

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that some people still blame Russia for the 2016 election

Hopefully no one thinks it's that simple. CNN and other MSM filled the airwaves and the net with daily reports on what Trump Tweeted, for almost a year before the election, and thereafter. They're equally responsible. Cambridge Analytica also spread misinformation. Trump was also popular with the one-issue voters who wanted the overturning of RvW. And much much more...

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

NATO has been a necessary response to Russian aggression and the nuclear threat, OBVIOUSLY. WTF.

False NATO's original purpose was dual containment of Germany and Russia:

Washington, D.C., December 11, 2018 – In the Fall of 1966, as part of an ongoing debate about the U.S. troop presence in Western Europe and the role of NATO during the Cold War, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara sent an illuminating memo to President Lyndon B. Johnson to explain the political reasons for keeping U.S. troops in Europe. The rationales, he wrote, were to maintain NATO’s “cohesion,” to prevent Soviet “political blackmail,” to deter “any bilateral Soviet-FRG [Federal Republic of Germany] security agreement,” and to discourage “the revival of German militarism,” according to a collection of previously classified documents published today for the first time by the National Security Archive,

Against the current backdrop of discussions at the top levels of the U.S. government over security guarantees in Europe , McNamara’s memo and a selection of other declassified U.S. documentation posted today by the National Security Archive provide historical context for decades of U.S. policy toward Europe and more specifically the functions of NATO and the relationship between Germany and European security. Since the formation of the North Atlantic alliance in the early years of the Cold War and the decision to keep U.S. troops in Europe, U.S. policymakers have generally seen those commitments as critical to both U.S. and European security.

With World War II then only two decades past, concern that a West Germany unmoored from alliance relations could turn revanchist or make deals with the Soviet Union remained in the thinking of top American policymakers. Declassified documents in today’s Web posting demonstrate how the United States and its allies established NATO partly to reassure France about Germany. The allies then brought West Germany into the alliance as a deterrent against the Soviet Union but also to ensure that it did not develop independent military forces. During the 1960s State Department intelligence analysts described that arrangement as a means to “contain” the West German state so that it developed in harmonious association with former adversaries and avoided militarism or security arrangements with the Soviet Union.

The point maintained around the world through the Cold War was US hegemony, which China and Russia currently interfere with as they are superpowers in their own right as it stands.

While Russia did NOTHING as aggressors to other countries?

Emotional outbursts are not arguments. Either provide evidence and substantiate your claims or they will be dismissed out of hand as the temper tantrum of a child unfit for discussion.

False - there was NOTINNG to loot.

Incorrect. Russia has commodities that were exploited during that breakup, but for current times, you can see the commodities in real time here

Corruption in Ukraine is a very complex topic, related especially to pre-2014 Russian corruption in Ukraine.

They are not that complex. The highest levels of corruption with the EU is with Ukraine and as Megan alluded, the 2014 Maidan coup, which is substantiated extensively through reporting is what helped support setting 50 people on fire in Odessa as well as Nazis in Ukraine which even the NYT has had to acknowledge.

More disinformation from Russia, obviously.

No, reported because Hunter Biden's laptop implicated Joe Biden

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections has been proven many times.

The irony here is that Prigozhin was the person to start the Internet Research Agency, exile himself into Belarus, and that "Russian interference" you believe so much was very little money in the end:

Spending: Also hurting the case that the Russians reached a large number of Americans is that they spent such a microscopic amount of money to do it. Oxford puts the IRA’s Facebook spending between 2015 and 2017 at just $73,711. As was previously known, about $46,000 was spent on Russian-linked Facebook ads before the 2016 election. That amounts to about 0.05 percent of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined. A recent disclosure by Google that Russian-linked accounts spent $4,700 on platforms in 2016 only underscores how minuscule that spending was. The researchers also claim that the IRA’s “manipulation of American political discourse had a budget that exceeded $25 million USD.” But that number is based on a widely repeated error that mistakes the IRA’s spending on US-related activities for its parent project’s overall global budget, including domestic social-media activity in Russia.

How do you support millions of innocent Ukrainians are being bombed, displaced, raped, tortured, and murdered by Putin's war criminals,

The ones doing the bombing, displacing, raping, and torturing would be the SBU of Ukraine which also has Americans on a kill list as we've laid out on Saidit a while back.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

NATO's original purpose was dual containment of Germany and Russia

The ones doing the bombing, displacing, raping, and torturing would be the SBU of Ukraine

Absolutely not

You and your sources use misleading information about un-verifiable events in order to support the bombing, displacement, raping, torturing, and murdering of millions of innocent Ukrainians by Putin's war criminals. You'd rather support Putin's war and believe the obvious Russian lies you mention here than see what Putin's war criminals are doing? WTF is wrong with you?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You and your sources use misleading information about un-verifiable events in order to support the bombing,--

As mentioned before, you are throwing an emotional temper tantrum and ignoring information when it's presented right in front of you.

The Maidan coup was when America funded Nazis in Ukraine that they took over the government offices, set people on fire, and became the government of right wing terror as shown in the links you ignored with the SBU.

If you're incapable of looking at sources, cross referencing information, looking at information historically, and only capable of emotional outbursts, you're nothing more than an emotionally stunted child who can keep their beliefs while the grown ups can look at what's occurring.

You've been given the links, you have had no counter links or substantive argumentation that refutes the data from NSA Archives or any other place such as NY Times.

The choice is now yours to make a counter argument with substantiation.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nothing in my responses is emotional or compares with your long essays of whining and misinformation. You're depending on disinformation and misinformation in order to support the bombing, displacement, kidnapping, raping, torturing, flooding, and murdering of millions of innocent Ukrainians by Putin's war criminals. It's simple: there's no excuse for any of this. None. You've got nothing that excuses Russian war crimes. Hence I ask: what's wrong with you? Or to put it another way: what specifically is redeemable about you? Anything?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You have yet to substantiate your argument, you're merely trying to make this personal and have yet to prove any claims counter to what Megan has shown and was independently verified.

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I responded to your attacks. Any other responses from me will only get the same kinds of attacks from you. It's boring.

As I note, nothing excuses Russia's invasion. Your attempts to excuse the invasion reveal that there is nothing redeemable about you.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You have yet to provide any argumentation about Russia, merely attacked my character and focused extensively on your beliefs.

That is the emotional output of a child.

If you want to discuss Russia, provide an article and substantiate your claims.

Otherwise, Megan's responses, as independently verified hold true in this argument.