TRANSGENDER"More like genocide denial tbh. The south is literally trying to eradicate us."

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[–]LtGreenCo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Healthcare isn't a right? WTF?

If it involves the agency of other people, it's not a right. Life, liberty, happiness, etc. are things you can pursue without forcing others to get involved. Healthcare not so much, as it necessitates getting other people to provide it to you. Laws that force medical professionals to provide you with healthcare are actually infringing on said professionals' rights to their own labor.

Similarly, trannies have the right to pretend to be the opposite sex, but do not have the right to force the rest of us to believe it and/or comply with it.

[–]alladd 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, I dunno about that definition. The right to due process is provided to all citizens of the US and that confers quite a lot of effort and time onto the state and other citizens to form a jury, hold a trial, etc.

[–]TossEmFar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think the difference in due process is the fact that being there is mandatory. It would be more comparable if you were forced to be in the hospital when you're injured, but could only get a doctor if you paid first.

Obviously any comparison will fall apart at some point, but exploring these nuances is half the fun!

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I mean it SHOULD be a right, as should a number of other things that are currently prohibited by income. Ideally the end goal of any fully advanced civilization should be total unemployment (work at will) and the guaranteed access to every aspect of the state as a right of law. It just isn't economically feasible yet.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ideally the end goal of any fully advanced civilization should be total unemployment (work at will)

Maybe I'm reading this part wrong: why do you assume that, if there's unemployment, there still wouldn't be a need for contribution? The people who'll still work ("at will") to clean up the streets, take garbage, etc. will want to do this while there's those who don't contribute something... While they're busting their backs off? Is the country going to use robots to do these things?

Even within prehistoric societies, everyone had to contribute. No matter how big/small it was.

the guaranteed access to every aspect of the state as a right of law.

Where exactly the money for these things are going to come from?

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's an ideal. You're asking me to provide real data on an ideal. Sure, robots and magic.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, it's just pretty retarded.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, that also leads to the answer to claim healthcare IS a human right, because the tiebreaker; no matter how high the medical bills a patient has, the hospital is not allowed to refuse service to the patient. They may need to pay for it, but the hospital isn't allowed to say "You owe us this money so we're going to let you die."

End result, healthcare counts as a human right.

[–]TossEmFar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sadly, a single web search turns up the fact that hospitals are allowed to (and frequently do) refuse treatment on grounds that the patient is unable to pay.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Emergency rooms do not, however.