Never let my son put a dress on. Never, ever. ever.

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[–]clownworlddropout 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This sort of thing shouldn't be an issue, but you know it's coming from an ideological place and will be flavoured with language like "see, boys can wear dresses too!" and other such propagandizing.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, that’s the worry that the staff put the boy in the dress, he didn’t pick it himself.

There’s good research that suggests that teaching staff treat boys quite differently to girls, including marking identical work lower than girls. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that they only had dresses in the dressing up box, no gear for boys at all.

[–]William_World 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

a lot of the problems are caused by the fact that most grade school teachers are women. They hate men so take it out on the young boys who then grow up negatively effected by it. The solution would be to only allow men teachers but men don't usually want to do that as a job.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Less hate more that women teachers don't understand boys since they never were one. Seen many fail to maintain discipline in class because they don't understand that the kid acting up is literally doing it because they find the teachers reaction to it funny so the teachers attempt to discipline the class only makes the problem worse.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

women make natural mothers and even when their kid is a son they can do a good job raising them. But that won't be the same with a teacher watching other people's kids. Women naturally hate another woman/man's kids and try to negatively effect them, they do it instinctually and don't even realize it.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Over reacting either way is what causes problems.

Plenty of guys turn troon because they have a humiliation fetish.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, kids play dress up in kindergarten/nursery.

Interestingly during Victorian times and for centuries prior all children below the age of about six were put in dresses because it made changing nappies and toilet training easier. They even had a sort of celebration called Breeching for boys when they graduated to their first trousers.

I am so glad I don’t work with children below the age of 7. I’ve done placements with lower age groups and totally not for me.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yep agreed. Small kids are going to cross dress while playing dress up. Doesn't mean anything besides it being a kid doing random kid shit. Adults interfering in that is where problems arise. They either encourage it creating problems as the kid now associates cross dressing with adult approval or the adults forbid it and react way to strictly which makes the dress a "forbidden fruit" that the child will now seek out.

What generally happens is if the adults don't give a shit the child will grow out of it. Some won't but high chance they were gay anyway.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Same with makeup at that age. Kids main thought is "this is pretty and colourful and mommy plays with it so I want to copy her". I know with one of my cousins he idolised his older sister and wanted to copy her. Apart from her being annoyed that her makeup was ruined they just rolled with it. Got a costume makeup set so he could play with the pretty colours but not ruin her expensive makeup. Grew out of it unless we count halloween/horror makeup.

Considering he's straight as fuck and married with a kid now and going through the same thing with his own son it just seems like a normal development stage. Young kids like bright/pretty things.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep. It’s when it elicits an overreaction that it risks becoming a problem.

Forbid it and it becomes that taboo that generates a thrill due to transgression. Encourage it and it becomes a mechanism by which the child seeks reward/attention/approval.

Best to be completely neutral and let the fascination run its course unless there’s a good reason to intervene, such as they’re doing it inappropriately.

Professionally, I would be more interested in observing the adults in the child’s life and seeing whether there is any abuse occurring. For instance, is the mother encouraging or forcing the child to behave this way or is the child displaying other inappropriate behaviours or knowledge that might mean they’re being sexually abused.

A sad case occurred at a school I worked at where a child visited family abroad and was abused by an older cousin. The victim didn’t recognise it as abuse, despite it being of the worst kind, and we picked it up because the child was talking about it to their classmates and the classmates got upset and scared by it. It was all extremely awful.

[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah we all figured it was just because it was 'new' and he spent I think a few months playing with the costume makeup until the new thing came along. Then it was fire engines and whatever came after that.

You're right that if the child is being forced into one behaviour or another that more oversight would be a good idea, you might be able to catch something and get the child out of that environment. That poor child who went abroad though. I can't imagine how awful that is for them. Another worry there would be how cyclical abuse can be and if the older cousin was abused by a family member that may have access to the child. I wish them well in their recovery, young children are often quite resilient but that would be a lot for anyone.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My son used to dress up as Elsa occasionally when he was preschool age. It was no different to him than dressing up as Batman or the Hulk. And he quite liked My Little Pony and Barbie along with Lightening McQueen, Justice League, Rescue Bots, Angry Birds, etc. He was too young to know that some of those things are boys/girls things, he just liked what he liked.

I let him enjoy whatever age appropriate things he wanted. Though I had a strong rule that absolutely no photos or videos of him in a dress were to ever make their way onto the internet. I know there's nothing wrong with it but I'm not risking a situation where he's in secondary school and his classmates can find photos of him in a dress. And I didn't have any "girl" toys on display either. He could play with them if he wanted but they weren't something I wanted to have attention drawn to either.

[–]alladd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wouldn't be a fucking problem if there was actual gender fluidity i.e. let kids just experiment. He'd realize it was just fabric, do it for a day or two, and then get over it and go back to TMNT shirts and Pokemon shoes.

Instead, it's the opposite posing as openmindedness. Creeps perverting curiosity.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not gender fluidity regardless it's just a child playing dress up. Kid doesn't understand the concept of gender and is just playing pretend. Adults reading too much into it causes problems. It's retarded to go and assume that because a 3 year old kid is wearing a dress during playtime today that means they are actually transexual. Just as retarded as assuming that a 3 year old kid playing pretend as a pirate is going to grow up to be an outlaw.