So, what's behind the social contagion of men going trans?

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[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

No offense but that sounds like an awful morality. Are you a bully?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

No I'd agree with the basic idea of this but I think bullying is the wrong word. It's more like the definition of bullying has been greatly expanded to include not only cruel harassment with is unequivocally wrong, but also to include expressions of disapproval, or negative social feedback, as bullying.

Go look at the kind of anti-bullying stuff you saw them promoting in schools a decade ago attempting to socially engineer out basic human interactions like simply not wanting to eat with another kid at lunch. Sure sometimes that can be a cruel form of bullying, but the system is blind to the children's reasoning and prefers a prescriptive approach that sees the not eating together as the problem and not the reason why they aren't eating together as the potential problem.

If you're some weird kid that likes to talk about inappropriate sexual stuff that makes other kids uncomfortable, you'll get negative social feedback like , ridicule, isolation, etc, and you'll learn not to do that.

If you don't have that negative social feedback because the institution has gone on some cuckoo plan to engineer it out, the kids won't learn and will become awkward unlikable adults.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Couldn't have said that better myself. And to answer Vulptex's question, I'm not at all a bully. But to Alienhunter's point, I think the fear of being bullied kept people in check far more than the number of cases of actually being bullied ever did. That's gone now and I don't think we're better off for it, even if I would never have participated in it.

[–]QueenBread[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'll say my opinion on this. Bullying people who are degenerates, well, I'd be 100% on board with. But, see, the problem is that bullying is usually doing BY the degenerates. In middle schools, the soon-to-be-doctor nerd is mocked and humiliated by the soon-to-be dropout bully just for being intelligent. Now, sane people are mocked by TRAs for making sense. Bullying doesn't work because it tends to always work in reverse. The worst people bullying the best ones because they stand out.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bullying is still happening, but as you say, it's now a far more 'mean girl' type of bullying mostly perpetrated in the open by the hardcore intersectionalists. I think bullying is perversely necessary however for just the reason you illustrate. It's an important way for one to build resilience, even if it's unpleasant.

[–]Conqueeftador 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. I have a school-aged child and the fact that they're trying to remove the right for kids to refuse unwanted contact is extremely troubling. I grew up in the 80s and 90s and there actually wasn't a lot of real bullying back then, at least not in any of the schools I went to. We had fights and cliques, but very rarely was any one person singled out and bullied. Usually we stood up for bullied kids on our own without any teacher intervention, but the weird kids just didn't have many friends and there was often a good reason for that. I tried to befriend one once and quickly found out why she always ate lunch alone when she started wiping boogers on my shirt. It was okay to simply dislike and avoid kids who made us uncomfortable. This social system worked very well, by high school most of the weird kids had learned to act normal enough to make friends and grow up into functional adults. Bullying is wrong, but normal negative feedback plays a crucial role in curtailing antisocial and harmful behaviors. It also helps identify kids who need help- if nobody wants to be friends with one kid cause he smells or tries to touch everyone, there's probably something going on at home that needs looking into. We're really not doing the weird kids any favors by forcing the other kids to play with them.

[–]Dzonatan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Replace the word bully with the word stigmatization or mockery and suddenly the morality is not so awful.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's also awful

[–]Dzonatan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So what's your alternative? Put up with behaviour sink? Before you open up with "Have a talk with them first" you need to be aware that some people glee at the fact that the worst you're going to do to them is give them stern choice of words.

Mind you, I'm not a fan of it either but there's a reason why humans react so well to punishments and rewards.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why must we control every minute detail of everyone's lives?

[–]Dzonatan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We don't need to. We need to control those who cant control themselves.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which you define as those who don't agree with you and act like you in every way.

[–]Dzonatan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My act does not involve walking into women restrooms and acting like a creep next to children. No. They do not act like me in every way.