Trans activists use historic identities like Kathoey from Thailand to justify trans politics. However, some say Kathoey means "effeminate gay men".
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[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago* (1 child)
Tailors, pattern cutters, weavers, haberdashers, milliners and other roles in the manufacture of clothing being men isn’t and has never been alien to Europeans.
I’m struggling to come up with a “job” that would possibly make Europeans think that someone was a bit light in the loafers (as in roles in Europe only done by women, never men). Cooking, nope. Gathering, nope. Farming, nope. Leatherwork, nope. Hunting, nope. Clothing manufacture, nope. Jewellery manufacture, nope. Fishing, nope. Net care, nope.
What’s to bet that the people called “berdache” were dressed in women’s clothing and treated as women because they were gay, just like that group in Samoa. They’re not trans or a third gender, it’s just that a subsistence society just doesn’t have a place for gay men.
[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
What’s to bet that the people called “berdache” were dressed in women’s clothing and treated as women because they were gay
Yeah that's how Hijras are in India which people are now trying to use as proof of x y or z. The unique thing about Hijras was that they were actually a 3rd gender in that gender is a social caste. India has historically had an EXTREMELY rigid social hierarchy built up with castes and even though the government made castes illegal the population still views them as real. If you are a man who doesn't take a wife and create children then you are not fulfilling your "role" in society correctly. The caste system in India took this very seriously and would move those men into an entirely separate caste.
I have known about Hijras for a long time due to documentaries and there never used to be any implication that I saw indicating that they were supposed to be trans in any way. As time went on the TRAs have pushed that definition creep and now if you look up Hijras it explicitly claims they are transwomen which is insanity because the entire point of Indian culture creating the new caste was to push them outside the role of both men and women.
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