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[–]notafed 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Free speech training? What about "academic rigour" and "academic integrity" training, because she obviously has neither.

[–]xoenix[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First things first.

[–]LtGreenCo 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Free speech training

This should be a required course for any kind of teaching degree.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nipper responded June 19 with a request to appeal the sanction ... She declined to comment, but said that the culture war has impacted educators’ ability to teach.

Yes and you yourself are creating the culture war by politicizing the word "woman" to the point that people now need to clarify it as "biological woman" and then you fail the student who was forced to use the clarifying word.

I do appreciate that this student is a chemistry major. She's not in college to listen to pseudoscience about gendered souls.

[–]xoenix[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a possibility the student took the course as an elective in order to troll the prof. If so, I strongly support it.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hope this is the case.

[–]xoenix[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, chemistry major, the TikToks she shot look like her family is comfortably wealthy, "just so happened" to write an essay about biological women in sports for an elective course... it adds up.

This is good though, if true. I'd rather see someone doing this who has a safety net with family support, rather than someone without who will be financially ruined and blacklisted. It also means she can have fun doing instead of needing to win to survive.

[–]OuroborosTheory 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

I do like watching them fight, but I know that their tectonic shifts just mean a DIFFERENT sort of extremists so by 2025 we'll probably be back under the PIV-is-rape, people-are-groomed-into-undergoing-puberty, cat-eye-glasses, men's-problems-are-all-caused-by-men, Amber-Heard-is-Mother radfems ...

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Maybe not that soon but is suspect the 2030's will see hardline religious revivals become politically relavent. I suspect Catholicism and Islam to be the big winners, though there's probably some as of yet non-existent new protistant denomination to take the field as well like the rise of the pentacostalists in the early 20th century. Probably be a uniquely American denomination.

[–]OuroborosTheory 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

yeah, both sides of the slapfight typically just think some long-dead group (Strasserites, Stalinists) will be defrosted and take over everything in the US, while being able to skip all the actual historical developments of 1917-41: it's boring and unimaginative, might as well worry about Washington being overrun by Bokassa loyalists or von Ungern-Sternberg's cossacks, that at least would be a bit kinky

meanwhile real extremist movements grow in the dark because nobody's expecting them (Hispanic fascists, hard-drinking pork-eating ISIS bombers, shitlib suburban moms with Wolfsangeln for Ukraine demanding "Russian dressing" have its name changed): it's like each US subculture is competing to see who can make the weirdest dystopia: imagine explaining NAFO or the Trader Joe's boycott to someone from 1914--or them trying to explain the White Feather movement to us

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, it's even more than that: The real extremist movements not only grow in the dark, but when they come out of the dark they gain power because they gather people by talking about all the other extremist groups taking power and promising they and only they will protect them from everyone else who wants to kill them, a la the "agree to become the prison bitch of this guy and he'll protect you, if you don't you'll be passed around by everyone else in the prison" method.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I thought we already have that, and the protestant denomination exists in the form of one fully owned by the Republicans to become "the Republican Party's talking points trump (and Trump) even the words of the Bible, Fox News is your church, Donald Trump is literally the second coming of Jesus Christ" like we've seen far, far too often in recent times.

Indeed, a religious revival might be worse as a result as religious party merges with political party; even theocracies at least pretend their beliefs are rooted in their religious text and don't go to "the talking points our political party say ARE the religious text."

[–]DirewolfGhost 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Woke is the religious revival and the MSM is their gospel (inverted, so instead of good news its bad news).

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Which is the whole problem: We have these religious revivals and the political parties run them.

On the left, Woke is the religion and their gospel is Tumblr.

On the right, Trumpism is the religion and their gospel is QAnon.

[–]DirewolfGhost 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The "Right" contains a collection of disparate religions. It is not unified.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's been that way for awhile but I don't think the political religious lobby is particularly loyal to any one figurehead as cancel culture is also very strong within their ranks. Trump is kind of an exception to some extent but that's mostly because he's never really gone on with a pious image and has always been a bit of a crass salesman type.

It's important to understand that Trump was very unpopular with the religious right in the United States but won mostly because he was able to capture populist sentiment by openly ridiculing politicians on national TV. It's easy for him to do that with no political resume himself. It's harder now when people can simply turn around and criticize him for his own failures. He can play the blame game I suppose but I don't think it will carry him far.

The religious right only got wrangled into trump's camp after he won the primary because that's the nature of US politics. If they can produce a candidate that can carry the public better than Trump can then I suspect they'll attempt to scandalize trump in some way. It's usually not difficult as again, the religious right is almost always going to participate in cancel culture when it comes to things like sexual infidelity which there's no shortage of evidence that Trump has, while not illegal, broken "God's Law".

But it's far far easier to get the religious people to unite against something than to get them working together for something. Much like with the woke spaces there are many ambitious sociopaths trying to gain fame and power and willing to sabotage each other to get it. I've seen churches split over the most minor of doctrinal disagreements, there's no way they can manage a government. Everyone believes they have divine right and compromise is evil, but they can't agree on what that divine right is, so everyone except those who agree with me must be evil, and that can't sustain any effective coalition. Even with issues like abortion where most religious voters will agree that abortion is wrong, when it comes down to the specific minutia of when it's wrong and when it's acceptable, they'll split and be unable to maintain power as the hardliners who say abortion in no circumstances whatsoever will be slowly edged out as when they actually have to put pen to paper and write the law will have to carve out exceptions for the various health complications that arise which make abortion perfectly acceptable in the eyes of most all legitimate religious bodies or anyone who understands the medical exceptions that are the oft repeated leftist talking points against banning it.

Similar splits will occur over other evergreen social issues like gay marriage or pornography. There will always be someone with more extreme views than you and like with activism once some gains are achieved they'll now be the avant-garde of the progressive push and will pull the movement straight apart. Porn banned for all minors, fairly uncontroversial. What is porn? Much harder to say. Ban bikinis kissing etc on television, hell ban television entirely, you'll find people who hold these views, and while they aren't likely to get far with them they will torpedo any serious religious political movement that forms unless there is extremely strong leadership to keep them in check. I really don't see that happening.

What I suspect we will see is something totally off the wall we just haven't seen before. Think Mormons or Pentacostalists or what have you. America is basically the land of weird christian cult revivals, there's a few undercurrents going along now, prosperity gospel stuff is popular at the moment but I doubt it has staying power through times of economic hardship.

It's very hard to predict what new kind of Christianity America will think of next. Trumpism isn't likely to be a major cult going forward imho. Some kind of hyper gender roll focused macho Christianity might be, as we are already seeing a bit of a trend towards that. Maybe beards will go back into style.

Or maybe we will get some kind of neoludite ideals rejecting the internet. Or perhaps they'll make some kind of super successful christian social network and go the opposite way. Heavenly father is always watching. Using AI algorithms and data analysis to keep the believers from sinning. Who knows. Easy to speculate but hard to say what it will be.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The problem with a lot of these is in a few:

At the moment, it's hard to say "Trumpism" won't be a cult because it totally is, right now. At the moment, the only thing keeping Trump with a chance is that his supporters truly believe the man is Jesus Christ (even though "Trump is literally the Anti-Christ" has a LOT of good arguments to it from the Bible)- and they've also made it clear they are willing to fight and kill for him to be in charge, not just vote for him. Even beyond January 6, it is at "I have no doubt in my mind if anyone but Trump wins the GOP nom, some crazy Trump supporter will assassinate them and keep doing it until it's Trump's by default, and I have no doubt because they will be the first to tell you they will."

Likewise, in the modern woke world on both sides, we're in the horizontal hierarchy, and have seen " a world where everyone's voice is important" is beaten by "the majority of the world are mindless sheep, and if everyone's opinion is the same, then inevitably those sheep will listen to the loudest, angriest, most unhinged person, their loudness, anger, and instability will make it seem like they CARE the most, and those mindless sheep will fall to their side." Hence, rather than the most extreme views being pushed aside, the most extreme person will take hold as the leader, and I don't know if it can ever stop (maybe it'll stop with "life is inherently corrupt, I vow to drop all the nukes and have the military exterminate everyone still living, then slowly but surely kill each other until I'm the last living being left, then I will sudoku so life ends with us"- but given how extremist society has been I don't even think this will happen.)

Either way, given how both Wokeism and Trumpism are, if a religious movement happens, I cannot see it being anything but "the Republican Party and Democratic Party rise up and become religions" with all that entails.

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    [–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just because you don't like hearing it doesn't mean it's not the truth. Hell, if you don't like hearing it it's likely you're one of the people who does worship Trump in that way.

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    catholocism will never be popular again, can't be a woke christian sect

    [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is why right wingers fail.

    Our understanding of "victory" is that our enemies get to speak freely and operate freely but that we are also graciously allowed to do the same. This means, at best, our ultimate victory, is the scenario where we are on equal footing with our enemies.

    Leftists want us destroyed, all our morals subverted, all our freedoms removed, our ethnicities genocided through mass migration, etc.

    This creates a social dynamic where if we "win", we go to 0 on the bias scale.
    If they win, they go to 100 on the bias scale.
    What's the average of 0 and 100? = 50
    So ask yourself why we are moving left decade after decade? It is because we are designed to lose.

    We need to FIRE these leftists from institutions so that they can be replaced by "leftists that defend freedoms" and "right wingers who want leftists removed". We need to reverse the social dynamic.

    Make them defend their rights to free speech, while we argue why allowing them to talk freely is dangerous for society and misinformation.

    Allowing jews to spread their vile hatred is not good for a free society. I can double speak too.

    [–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    How the turn tables.

    [–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Well we can avoid the term "biological women" I prefer avoiding vague and so called "soft language".

    Just use the terms women, and men with gender dysphoria.

    [–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    female and memale

    [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Please tell me this is the new fad on college campuses! While we're at it, Advisors! Advise your students wisely. Advise them to stay away from any course that has the word "Studies" in it. It's not a Science and it's not a Humanity, it's just where losers with useless degrees go to jerk each other off and get their crappy books published. These classes are tumors that need to be excised from college curriculum.

    [–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Here's my guess. This college isn't that woke but has, of course, a contingent of woke profs. This makes it easier for non-woke to troll the woke without getting expelled or arrested.

    I suspect that at another college things could have gone very differently.

    [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Unfortunately. Idk, I see college attendance dropping, especially for the ones with crazy DEI crap going on. Millennials and Gen Z say they can't even afford housing and the cost of living, even with a college degree. I see future generations foregoing it altogether because of the cause. Natural selection?

    [–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Or they could, you know..... FIRE THAT GUY. She already demonstrated she's not fit for the role.

    [–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Bio woman is a bit better than saying mentally ill as I call them, guess now I will use the "bio" when commenting on mentally ill.