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[–]slavdude0 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Feminism in the West ended with 2nd wave. Now it's just a bunch of lunatics.

Only worthwhile feminism left is in places like Iran.

[–]Clownfall 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

2nd wave is making a bit of a comeback, with the older and wiser feminists leading the TERF uprising, realising that victimhood-as-currency was a mistake, especially when anyone with enough narcissism could opt into the most sacred victim class.

[–]slavdude0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah but terfs are also bunch of loons. Only difference being they hate troons.

[–]Clownfall 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TERFs have impressed me, to be honest, and I've listened to a whole lot of 'gender wars' debate (mostly UK focused). They've seen cancel culture up close, they've learned how toxic identity politics can be, they're making real sacrifices to fight for free speech, reality, and a much more reasonable form of feminism. They're capable of humor, too, something you'd never get from third-wave perpetually-offended SJWs.

While their movement is fairly small, I get the impression that they're doing a better job at resisting wokeness than 'the right', as it's so much harder to write off a group of middle-aged feminists as 'hateful' than a group of angry men.

What does wind me up though, is seeing some TERFs reject gender identity ideology but still clinging to other aspects of wokeness (particularly around race), ignoring the fact that the exact same tactics of toxic woke activism is at the core of both - victimhood-as-currency, redefining language, treating criticism as hate, normalising violent activism, etc.