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[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I was just listening to a discussion about how the "right" in the US is better at manipulating the supreme court and all federal courts because the "right wing" judges are all willing to step aside when the political climate allows for a like minded replacement. Liberals freak out when people ask for their justices to retire under the same circumstances. Basically RBG is the clearest example. She had cancer and survived. Her and the liberal elites then decided that as part of her legacy she should retire and be replaced by the first female president. Obama then defeats Clinton. People on the left beg RBG to retire for 8 years because she is an old woman who has already had cancer once. RBG refuses and all the political elites on "the left" chastise anyone calling for her to retire. They still believe it's Clinton's "turn" to be president even though Obama ruined it for the time being. They called us sexist and ageist for asking for RBG to retire. Then Obama's term ends, Clinton loses, Trump wins, and RBG dies. Thus the exact thing that actual people on the left had warned would happen for 8 years happens.

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This made me come to an interesting realization. The conservative justices and politicians are acting in a far more leftist ideology than the liberals in this sense. This idea of bypassing your own ego for the greater good is an extremely leftist way of thinking and acting. Meanwhile the liberals are emphasizing individual glory and legacy. This is an extremely right wing mindset. It puts hierarchal structure in place where someone like RBG or Diane Feinstein is at the top level of the pyramid and the voters just get excoriated for not complying with this power structure where those at the top of the hierarchal pyramid are supposed to be bowed down to.

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This is interesting because it completely overlaps with the way the liberals ally with the trans movement.the focus on the self is most important and fuck everything else.

[–]fuck_redditThou/Thee/Thy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you explain the right’s support for the military if personal sacrifice for a greater cause is a leftist mentality? Charity? The right does more of that too. Personal sacrifice is a conservative value. Collective, state-enforced sacrifice is the left-wing value.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The structure of the military is organized into a strict hierarchy which is definitionally right wing.

Charity is interesting. The last study I say on this poor people gave up a larger percentage of their income to charity but that doesn't say anything about left or right. I would need to review those data.

[–]cephyrious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Didn't the republicans first stall the new supreme justice during the end of the Obama presidency and then rush one during the end of the Trump presidency? I can be fine with the first one, but all the arguments they used to stall it they ignored on the second one, which is of course hypocrisy of the highest order.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They did but the Democrats also didn't push the issue because they all assumed Clinton was going to easily win in 2016. Most of them actually had no perception that Clinton losing to Trump was even possible. Republicans were stalling with Merrick Garland but the media and political establishment was just using that as a talking point thinking they were scoring more points with voters. One of the reasons Clinton didn't campaign in swing states is they were trying to run up the score by campaigning in lean red states. They all had this idea that Clinton was going to lead the 2016 election to a landslide victory so they didn't actually care that Republicans were holding up the Senate confirmation.

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This is why all of their brains broke when Trump won. What they all perceived as Hillary being the queen of America was just untrue. Instead of reconciling with that cognitive dissonance they created the entire russiagate narrative in order to say that no their ruling elite hierarchy was not wrong, the Russians stole the election somehow.

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Their hierarchal mindset is so entrenched that not only will they not listen to calls for RBG to retire since 2008, that when reality slaps them in the face they invent a false reality instead of facing that their perceived power structure was broken by the orange man.

[–]cephyrious 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes sense. I unfortunately think Trump broke both sides' minds by winning :P I'm paraphrasing something I heard not too long ago: Since winning 2016 was impossible, clearly he is a magician, right? So since he is magic, the news claiming he lost in 2020 had to be bogus, right!

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

plus they had the confidence that they were in control: they literally asked Trump to run in the first place, and the Trump Tower meeting was with Fusion GPS people the DNC itself hired--no way this could all blow up at once!

my working hypothesis is that the Dems get votes from people who've been given the vote since like the 1840s--renters and tenants, Irish immigrants, women, African Americans: so there's a legacy of machine politics, of bosses in smoke-filled backrooms while the convention pretends to debate; at best their own voters are a final hurdle--they're just commoners while the pols have "put in their time" and are now getting their reward of climbing up the ladder

the Republicans have always been the property-owners' party, of those who've always had the vote--if they want the Homestead Act, their politicians are voting for the Homestead Act; if they want cheap farmhands and rising home values, they're getting it; if the CEO of a vinyl chloride manufacturer wants it in the river, it's staying in the river; if they want their Senators to all wear silly little satin hats, Senator Silly Big Felt Hat is going to lose the primary

it's like their characteristics complement each other, or like mirrors