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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ignoring the rainbow issues for a moment. I’ve written clinical trial ethics committee applications and whilst I wouldn’t say it’s impossible to do a trial using placebos you have to design it very, very carefully to get it authorised by a local research ethics committee or institutional review board and it’s the same in all fields of medicine- placebos are tricky ethically because it very quickly becomes lying to a patient and you cannot do that.

I’ve seen placebo trial designs where patients are doubly-blind assigned along two arms, placebo then test drug on one arm and test drug then placebo on the other, I’ve also seen trials where patients are straight up told they’re going to receive a placebo and I’ve seen trials where the patients are told they might receive a placebo.

For this crowd you probably couldn’t do an open placebo, but you might get them to agree to the placebo + trial drug one, where they receive both and just don’t know which they’re getting at any one point.

I suspect that the placebo has just as good outcome on the social contagion type troons, but will do nothing for the AGP type who will be fixated on breast development etc.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

but will do nothing for the AGP type who will be fixated on breast development etc.

AGPs tend to develop later in life. These are the 55 yr old men who suddenly decide to transition.

[–]TheMaharishi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just don't get that they don't get that they'll become a Mengele Chick. At that age you'd think they understand they'll simply be a mutilated man who kinda looks like a woman when it's dark out and not a real woman.

It's weird that trans people look so off. When cross dressers usually can pull it off way better...

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wonder how much of a role instagram and TikTok filters have in this. If they’re using selfies to validate themselves then maybe they start to think they actually look that way and therefore don’t put as much effort in as the old school transvestites did in the pre-filter days.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Feminists (ie 2nd wave types) have long discussed the link to pornography. The AGPs specifically have an extremely toxic view of what a woman is. They think women are brainless sex dolls and they act out their womanface in that style after the 57 TB of porn they have saved stops giving them the same excitement.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I suspect that testosterone does actually make women feel better in the short term. Since the psychological consequences of higher testosterone do mean higher self confidence. Of course it also means higher aggression, and the long term physiological effects as well as the issues of what happens when the brain becomes adapted to higher testosterone levels are not well understood I think. At least not in women.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing that gets me about transmen is that they almost never work out, as in consistent resistance training. Almost none of them go to the effort of widening their delts and building their biceps through exercise. I'm not saying that muscular women look like men unless they are using steroids/testosterone. But there would surely be some relief from dysphoria that would come from having a strong muscular upper body. And doing movements most associated with men, due to their significantly higher upper body strength, like lifting heavy weights, 60 push-ups or even 1 pull-up. Women even experience a boost in testosterone from that kind of exercise.

You do see a handful of buff transmen, Buck Angel being the most obvious. And there is one with an ugly chin beard who shills for Saidhbh Gallagher. But they mostly don't because they very, very obviously don't have dysphoria. And the sad thing is, that while body building does have the potential to become mentally unhealthy, for the most part the exercise improves mental health greatly. So a lot of these young women would just settle more into their bodies if they started to exercise.