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[–]clownworlddropout 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is a smoking gun for the academic censorship we've been hearing about for years! Very promising, I hope this opens up a lot of eyes to what's going on.

[–]Datachost 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So they wanted her to do the research, so long as it showed that no such harassment was taking place? When even without any kind of academic study it was self evident that this harassment was taking place?

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It’s not as unusual as you might think. Inconvenient data keeps popping up across the whole gamut of social justice research. The racism report that was just completed and published had some of the most egregious misrepresentations of data I’ve ever seen because the data showed that racism, whilst present in the UK, is no where near as prevalent as claimed.

I’m not surprised that research intended to clear academia of bias and censorship, and finding the opposite, has elicited this reaction.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I don't think it's uncommon. Universities these days hold very much the same position the Catholic church did in Galileo's time. They do fund a promote research and higher learning, but they also have a kind of modern orthodoxy that doesn't like it when you unpleasant conclusions that deviate from their body of what is considered "unworthy of debate because everyone knows it".

You see the creep into the other sciences besides humanities as well. You saw it with the whole evolution vs creationism controversies 20 years ago, universities became anthemic towards even the discussion of the ideals or debates against them even where it's fairly easy to make a strong argument against the hardline creationists, but that betrays an unwillingness to engage with ideas that undermine the known corpus of knowledge, these days you have popular science mouthpieces like Niel Degrasse Tyson who is admittedly more public speaker than scientist and very good at what he does, but he'll stray into theoretical physics with an authoritative certanist view even where the evidence for that view isn't as established as many think. And you get those types slowly worming their ways into the university system who grew up listening to it and find themselves radicalized in this crusade against ideas, you'll get people who will scoff at ideas like "Maybe dark matter doesn't exist, and our understanding of physics might be totally wrong" which while admittedly an unlikely prospect, is an idea we must contend with as direct evidence for the stuff fails to materialize to the point we aren't even sure what it is.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Degrasse Tyson is a full on Troon supporter. Apparently his latest book argues in favour of all that shit, probably because of his politics and the politics of his fans.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've seen a couple of interviews where he talks about it but I think he is only aware of the issue on a very surface level as he seems to only regurgitate the popular talking points. One being that people need to be free to express themselves as they wish, which I don't think anyone is arguing against, not seriously, the other is this somewhat naive view that the easy solution to the problem is to provide private unisex bathrooms, which indeed is a smart solution in certain contexts, new buildings probably will be smart to have a kind of all purpose handicap/changing table/gender non-conforming room for people who otherwise can't use the regular bathroom. But that doesn't fix the problems of people feeling entitled to go into restrooms where they make the intended occupants uncomfortable, nor does it fix the sports cheating problem, not does it begin to address the issues behind what appears to be a mass sterilization programme of the "feeble minded" at massive profits to the medical industry.

We have some historical reason to be worried about this, eugenics as a movement has enforced involuntary sterilizations of those deemed unfit for breeding in the past. You saw that sort of thing in native populations for example, beyond the standards of physical or mental abnormalities. I say there is truth to the idea of "trans genocide" in so far as sterilization of a group amounts to genocide. Yet in this case it appears that they're getting them to agree that they need to be sterilized or else they will kill themselves rather than doing it in secret and not telling them as was done in the past.

I think for the most part it betrays an unwillingness of people in public to breach unpleasant topics. Consider it a sort of toxic positivity if you will. I think people in science fields are highly susceptible to it as they attempt to counter the more luddite ideas from the popular culture.

I think in the larger contexts of the new atheist movement they made similar mistakes as the communists made during the revolutions of the earlier 20th centuries. While the church is certainly not above criticism, they seem to have blamed the whole of humanities problems on religious beliefs. This ides that the only reason humans are killing each other in wars is because their gods are different. Which I find laughably naive. I reckon some of what we are seeing now comes from an outright rejection not merely of the ideals of religion but an unfamiliarity with religious teaching as they pertain to myths legends and the kind of roundabout way that these stories provide a kind of wisdom of how humans relate to each other and the world, I think the scientists often times get too hung up on the literal viability of such myth and miss that the point of any is to provide some kind of moral teaching.

We had this problem with the creationism vs evolution debates, the hardline creationists failed to understand the material necessity of scientific observation to come from an observation to conclusion route rather than trying to piecemeal the evidence into their pre-conceived model, but the evolutionary side as well failed to see how in their own circles orthodoxy can produce similar if as of yet less pronounced results. I also think that while a materialist outlook is necessary in any sort of physical sciences, it's extremely foolish to disregard religion as having "nothing to it" or being utterly old fashioned. It shows a lack of familiarity with history, or even with the world as it is. There may indeed be no material cause by which we can point and prove the existence of god. Yet we see religions form and influence populations and societies all throughout history. There is some power there. Anyone who has been successful in politics understands that. Look even at the supposedly atheist communist regimes of the 20th century and see them create new pantheons surrounding their revolutionary leaders. The giant statues of the Kim dynasty for example. Hell you could even go back to the American revolution and see a similar form of deification taking place. They carved the faces of their presidents into some mountain in the middle of nowhere. And people go and make pilgrimages to it.

It can perhaps be argued that man makes his own gods, but can we not also argue that a good given power by men can wield the power given over men? Even if the god itself is not real, does that mean it's power is not real if the people believe in it?

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tyson's sorta notorious for taking the most superficial read on, well, anything: science historians upbraided him for making up fantasies about Giordano Bruno and the team ranted that since they were in the sciences and the critics in the humanities they outranked them: presumably all a history professor has to do is check out some books at the campus library; he also said Columbus discovered the Earth was round and that the Maya don't exist any more

even Cosmos II: The Second Cosming was more about "sensawonda" and visuals than giving a good sense of the combination of scutwork with fantastic leaps of imagination you need in science

I think what happens is that they "outgrow" their formal position once they become a TV star with hit bestsellers, the talk-show circuit, even their own production company (for the RW you can see that with Jordan Peterson before he was rendered clinically dead): instead of seeing the other departments as colleagues, the campus's other professors are swept by, mildly pitied as lesser creatures who couldn't Make It; Sam Harris's specialty is fMRIs, but he's interviewed about Syria

yes, there's a SMBC comic for this

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

A sociologist behind a study into whether social scientists at universities feel censored over their views on trans issues says she had her own views censored by her university.

In it, scholars told her they had endured threats of violence over the gender debate, feared reprisals and were 'all so afraid'.

But after an article for the magazine Times Higher Education - which spoke of a 'culture of silencing and fear' - she said City stopped her from publishing it.

Dr Favaro claimed: 'Those with a responsibility to support me have frustrated my ability to progress with the research or denied expected support via actions as well as omissions to act. This includes being ignored, ostracised, bullied, harassed – ending with a dismissal and confiscation of my data.

'It feels like a never-ending nightmare, dystopian, so unjust. All I have been trying to do is my job as a sociologist. There was a social conflict, so I asked questions, collected data, reported on the findings, offered an analysis. That is my job.

'In contrast to all my expectations, I leave with poor employment prospects because I have been unable to publish findings or even attend interviews. My experience at City has left me exhausted, traumatised and with broken self-esteem.'

'I want my research data back. I want to make the anonymised survey accessible to other researchers by depositing in the UK Data Archive as per my commitment to the funder and participants, and I want to publish findings. I owe this to myself, my family, my participants, and society,' she told The Telegraph.

Dr Favaro is now taking City to an employment tribunal, claiming harassment, victimisation and whistleblowing detriment, as well as discrimination against for her protected philosophical belief in the reality of biological sex.

She had been invited from Spain to go to City to do the study, which was was funded with £18,000 from the Equality and Human Rights Commission and £10,000 from the British Academy.

Could be an interesting tribunal case to follow as it might blow open the kinds of censorship that is occurring in academia and the staff doing it.

Here is the Times Higher Education Supplement article that the academic wrote that got her in trouble with her university

[–]Oyveygoyim 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

College is gay

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oyveygoyim is a pedophile who jerks his needle-dick off to Bacha Bazi.

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

victims cant harm the powerful so therefore if a trains gander threatens a hetero freak then its actually the trains gander who is being attacked and thus no need to research or report on it.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your satire button's broken; that's merely in "they believe that sincerely and unironically." The poor, poor trans babies deserve a working satire plan.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One might almost say that this is transgender harassment of academics with heterodox views.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

tbf it was the radfems who wrote the playbook of rioting when someone dared fMRI men and women's brains (of course there were others who said all the chromosomes for evil were on the Y) or teaching law students certain groups of defendants cannot be innocent and certain crimes should be waived of evidence, cross-examination, or right to counsel

it's like putting a Zionist, a white supremacist, and a hotep in the same room, they'll both agree one race built everything, ruled every society from Bolivia to Hokkaido, created the original language: the knives only come out when they realize the other guy means THEIR fantasy race

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, James Lindsay has a rather good podcast today on how all the troonery shit (Queer theory) is actually a logical outgrowth of radical feminist theory.

They were also the ones to pull fire alarms and disrupt lectures by people like Warren Farrell, a tactic now being used against them by troons and their pals.

It’s interesting to see the kinds of people who were only too keen on cancelling speakers and people raising men’s issues, now facing the same bullshit. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now, but I suspect that few are as gracious as Graham Linehan and willing to apologise for past misdeeds having been subject to the same tactics and attacks.

[–]OuroborosTheory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sometime around 2014 they were at the top of the world: they maintained the laws keeping them technically unable to rape, blocked men's centers with 1% of the budget of the women's, mothers with 10yo boys cast out of shelters, and the gays drummed out of Tumblr's reeking playpen as "double patriarchical"

it's like how Robin DiAngelo's white-chick antiracism evaporated in 2020 and everyone pretended they never followed her

unfortunately that just means that whatever comes after the ratty-haired Yaniv TRAs will be as bad as their predecessors--like every other time: given our luck it'll probably be the Amber Heard stans

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What began with an apple must end with a horse.

What began with demonizing and vilifying gamers must end with them putting in a cheat and activating God Mode.

[–]notafed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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