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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I understand the game they are trying to play here but that's not really how real life works. We've just gone from annoying childish nerds ejecting their toys from the pram when someone says something that hurts their fee fees to annoying childish nerds in a dress ejecting their toys from the pram when someone says something that hurts their fee fees.

The Oppression Olympics like most bullshit in life has a cheat code to win, it's called not playing at all. Like any stupid game that isn't fun, just don't play.

Now if you do actually want casual sex sure, you gotta play at the dating game. And if you're losing the dating game because you're an unlikeable nerd, then yeah you're not going to start suddenly winning by flipping the rules and saying you're a chick now. It's like changing your DND class from Warrior to Wizard. Your strength is middling and you make a poor warrior, switch to wizard and be OK with the low strength, but your magic is crap anyway so you're a poor wizard regardless of what wand you use.

The best way to not play the game is to just be yourself. Of course incels have the problem of not understanding the basic ideas here. You can be yourself and do the MGTOW shit, and to some degree you should, but not driven by some idiotic hatred of women. Why would you even want to have a relationship with something you hate? It won't work out.

Instead you gotta go your own way but not let your life be directed by some stupid hatred of others, you'll eventually find someone else also going the same way as you and you can then both be going the same way together.

Granted you have to be going a way that actually gets you to meet people, which is the classic incel failing. I see it alot with young people. "My hobbies are watching media and playing video games, I have a hard time making friends, I don't want to drink, go to social engagements, play sports, or pursue other hobbies, how can I make friends?"

Well if you hate having fun, I guess Church is a good social option? Though maybe that's a bit too exciting.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

While that's true, ultimately the big problem is that even then, the issue for men is that the game goes past "the game is rigged against them, so just choose not to play", and in many times roars screaming to "oh no, you don't GET to not play. You get in there, and you lose, and you raise our hand and say we win and we're better than you!" This, of course, can be bullshit, but if your only aspects of life are "be online or maybe go to a job you hate where someone will knife you...not even so they can get ahead because you're so worthless at the job, but just because they CAN", then eventually your only hope left is to grasp at any straw you can to even have a chance at victimhood and, thus, victory.

This is doubled since the one overarching part of the online society where pretty much every group: Sex, gender identity, sexuality, race, shit even fandoms, are all so utterly tribalized online that the only shared characteristic between the majority of the online generation is a deep-seated true hatred of their "other" to the point that most people of this generation would gladly trade their happiness for the other's misery. The only reason these people get most of the press is, again, Oppression Olympics views "punching up" to be the more victimized people's moral imperative and, indeed, being filled with hate towards your "majority" is one of the greatest acts of social justice that is humanly possible, while the "majority" being filled with hate towards the people hating them is the most evil thing that has ever been done by anyone in all of history. It seemed to be ending and people were respecting other groups as equal, and then it came roaring back and took a turn for the worse to "you're not like me in even the smallest way, so you are an inhuman monster and anything I do to you would be 100% justified and, indeed, the single most heroic thing any human has ever done in all of history."

You end up with issues like this, but also all of the other problems of society: How politics has become tribalized/how the people with power have taken more and more and left the world with less and less (politicians/rich movers and shakers feasting on the people's overt hatred makes you fish in a barrel to them), the rise of atrocities like mass shootings (if you're so radicalized you truly don't see other people as anything more than monsters and you're so in a hole you expect and are planning to die in your attempt to get revenge, it's bound to happen)...and basically most of the problems in the world right now. There's a lot of far bigger fish to fry due to this issue before we even sniff "some people can't get laid and they're butthurt about it."

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is people don't see their options. There's a lot of problems with the way the world is but a lot of the time you can simply tell the people who are trying to bully you I to playing their zero sum no win games to fuck off and nothing bad will come of it for you. It's a lesson in maturity many learn too late, but there's no point in trying to be diplomatic with someone who intends to not play by the rules and do whatever they can to hurt you to get ahead. You can however indicate that fucking with you is a zero sum game where both sides will be annihilated, and they'll either go after someone weaker and easier, or they'll blunder their attack and end up just shooting themselves in the foot, so rarely if ever do you actually have to engage in MAD doctrine.

Really there's a nice little two letter word "no" that will be of much use to anyone who doesn't want to play silly games. There's more to life than simply what you see in the media. It's a fun house mirror of reality.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People may not see the options, but that's also the problem there: It's a zero-sum no-win game because another lesson in maturity people learn too late is the dual-edged sword of "no man is an island" and "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link." When you add the people bullying you into these zero-sum no-win games already decided you WILL lose, they'll think of a reason or even make one up to and lie you did it (and who cares if they lie? It's your word against theirs, and who'll believe you? You're a [insert thing they made up]!)

...they also use those facts. Look at the 'one trans person who didn't even work there cried twansphobia to a person at a game company and got them fired' and it's part of it. You choose to tell them to fuck off? Your boss won't. Or THEIR boss won't. Or their boss's boss won't. And they're willing to go all the way up to the board of directors who don't know you from Adam and will respond "shutupshutupdon'tcaredon'tcareOHMYGODIDON'TCARE just fire whichever peasant they're complaining about before their whining causes the stock price to drop". And if you're self-employed? Your suppliers won't, your customer base won't- and even if there's more people who also told them to fuck off, you just saw your customer base Thanos'd and could be the difference between survival and failure. And if it's personal life, your family might not, your friends may not. And all of them have the double whammy of "they may believe the asshole, or they may be afraid of what the asshole will do to them because if they support you, the bell will toll for them too".

The word "no" works, but it doesn't work for terminally online obsessed stalkers who will stop at nothing to defeat you.