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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's been my primary argument against unrestricted immigration but the people who hold these views are usually stupid.

I don't hate the Muslims, quite the opposite I like them, I find their culture and religion interesting, but I also don't think their culture and religion are compatible with modern western values. So if you let a lot in you can expect conflict there.

Recently the news has been freaking out over Indonesia banning sex outside of marriage, which is by far the least concerning aspect of their new criminal code but regardless, the Indonesians have framed it as the dismantling of the old colonial criminal code with one that more reflects local values. Which is true. It's just that the local values are for the Muslim majority to enforce Sharia on everyone.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have no problem with muslim immigrants who want to escape islam and live a western lifestyle. In the immediate aftermath of the Iranian revolution there was a wave of emigrants from Iran into Europe. People who had become used to a freer lifestyle and wanted to escape the Islamic rule that was coming in. They might still celebrate Eid in the same way that I celebrate Christmas. And obviously they may cook and eat the same food they grew up with and have Iranian style clothing that they wear on special occasions. But their day to day lives and their core values are largely the same as the people in the country they came to live in. And, I'm glad for them that they got to escape from the type of life would have been imposed on them if they had stayed in Iran. I don't blame anyone for wanting to escape what is honestly a nightmare fucking existence.

The problem is that in the more recent decades we have had muslim immigrants who are not trying to escape islamic law but bring it here with them.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the fault of their conspiracy theories, unfortunately.

If you believe all the problems in your country are due to evil colonialism or the Jews than it doesn't matter if you bring your corrupt and damaging culture with you when you leave. Your culture and behaviour can't be causing all the bad things happening to you when you are a poor victim, right?

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like Muslims too. But aside from their rigid rules on sex, I also dislike that Islam is against pork consumption. Which is fine with me, and I love pork and I do not want to give it up. If Ireland became Muslim majority, pork might get banned, and I find that unacceptable.