RACENow Australia has lost its damn mind - Handing over control of lands to Aboriginal council results in the council banning women, photos and other visitors and demanding even cartoons and drawings be taken down.

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[–]jet199 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

I can get behind this.

This is real diversity and multiculturalism.

Don't like it? Then maybe you aren't really tolerant or respectful of other cultures, you just secretly believe everyone is a secret westerner and putting on show for fun.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's been my primary argument against unrestricted immigration but the people who hold these views are usually stupid.

I don't hate the Muslims, quite the opposite I like them, I find their culture and religion interesting, but I also don't think their culture and religion are compatible with modern western values. So if you let a lot in you can expect conflict there.

Recently the news has been freaking out over Indonesia banning sex outside of marriage, which is by far the least concerning aspect of their new criminal code but regardless, the Indonesians have framed it as the dismantling of the old colonial criminal code with one that more reflects local values. Which is true. It's just that the local values are for the Muslim majority to enforce Sharia on everyone.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have no problem with muslim immigrants who want to escape islam and live a western lifestyle. In the immediate aftermath of the Iranian revolution there was a wave of emigrants from Iran into Europe. People who had become used to a freer lifestyle and wanted to escape the Islamic rule that was coming in. They might still celebrate Eid in the same way that I celebrate Christmas. And obviously they may cook and eat the same food they grew up with and have Iranian style clothing that they wear on special occasions. But their day to day lives and their core values are largely the same as the people in the country they came to live in. And, I'm glad for them that they got to escape from the type of life would have been imposed on them if they had stayed in Iran. I don't blame anyone for wanting to escape what is honestly a nightmare fucking existence.

The problem is that in the more recent decades we have had muslim immigrants who are not trying to escape islamic law but bring it here with them.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the fault of their conspiracy theories, unfortunately.

If you believe all the problems in your country are due to evil colonialism or the Jews than it doesn't matter if you bring your corrupt and damaging culture with you when you leave. Your culture and behaviour can't be causing all the bad things happening to you when you are a poor victim, right?

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like Muslims too. But aside from their rigid rules on sex, I also dislike that Islam is against pork consumption. Which is fine with me, and I love pork and I do not want to give it up. If Ireland became Muslim majority, pork might get banned, and I find that unacceptable.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Colonization is bad until our enlightened rules aren't being followed by these ignorant savages...

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So am I just being extra cynical when I think that this former national park is, at some point, going to be quietly sold off to developers for the benefit of whoever is in charge of this specific group that now apparently controls it?

[–]OuroborosTheory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and advertise the scheme as "reparations" for not having been able to use the land

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah that's a likely outcome. Aboriginals like money same as anyone else. Get a small group of people controlling something like this, and give them absolute power to do whatever they want, and eventually some corporate developer is going to make them an offer.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Photographs of the stunning Mt Warning summit near Byron Bay could soon be banned under a new plan by the Aboriginal group which now controls the site.

NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet handed over management of Wollumbin National Park and Mt Warning to the small Wollumbin Consultative Group who promptly banned visitors to the once popular hiking spot

The group made of Indigenous families and community organisations caused an uproar when they claimed allowing females, including those of Indigenous heritage, on the site would ruin its cultural significance.

As part of the Wollumbin Aboriginal Place Management Plan the traditional owners now want to ban using photos or images of the mountain for tourism, advertising or business purposes.

This could even include drawings or paintings of the site - with a government department last week demanding a Herald Sun cartoonist take down his work that featured the similarly sacred Uluru, formerly Ayers Rock.

Parks Australia, which manages the nation's national parks said images of Uluru were 'commericialisation of Indigenous Cultural Intellectual Property'.

The government department backed down on that occasion after lawyers were brought in but, with a similar claim being made for Mt Warning, it seems anyone using images of the mountains could increasingly be targeted.

North Coast Indigenous woman Stella Whielden, who is pursuing an international human rights case over the ban on women at Mt Warning, said while the structure of handover agreement was different to Uluru, there is no precedent for banning images of a natural landmark.

'It appears to be a misuse/misinterpretation of cultural and intellectual copyright moral rights legislation, but again there is no basis for copyrighting a mountain's image,' she told Newscorp.

NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham said handing control of national park to a small Indigenous group who have not made a formal land rights claim was unnecessary.

'Given the nature of the parks, it's not clear what special Indigenous affinity or use they have.

Local community groups are continuing to oppose the public ban, that is enforced with hefty fines, on visiting what is now known as the Wollumbin Aboriginal Place.

[–]Datachost 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

they claimed allowing females, including those of Indigenous heritage, on the site would ruin its cultural significance.

That reminds me of a university ran event in Canada a couple of weeks back that warned women in their "moon time" that they wouldn't be allowed to attend. They then tried to explain that it wasn't that the women were banned, but in fact they were so sacred during their "moon time" that they were above needing to attend (but were still excluded)

[–]tiny-brown-mug 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I think people forget how messed up, misogynistic, superstitious, and purity-obsessed a lot of pagan cultures are / were. It's not all love and peace and smoking weed and nature. There are all of these specific rules, sex-based segregation, purity rituals, strange rules about marriage and widowhood, etc.

Bring back the native culture and the native women are shocked they can't go wherever they want or hang out with their own brothers because of incredibly specific rules about purity, clan taboos, etc. Every culture has some good points and some weird points. You want to revert to pre-contact culture, things are going to get a little weird.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Every culture has some good points and some weird points.

Some cultures just deserve extinction - not the people but their culture, case in point, I’m glad the Aztec culture was wiped from the face of the earth. It would be nice if we had a more detailed understanding of their history etc, but I’m glad they’re gone.

[–]jet199 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

West Africa culture was just as blood thirsty as the Aztecs but we are currently meant to celebrate that (even though human sacrifice is still done by the rich in secret).

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m sure we’ll get a Viola Davis film along shortly to inform us of how noble, enlightened and progressive the pre-colonial West Africans were. And you will pay to see it, bigot!

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You'll still see slavery practiced in Africa.

[–]SerpensInferna 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hard agree on that one. The Aztecs were so brutal they pretty much caused their own extinction.

[–]Datachost 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, native tribes in America still have a whole bunch of rules about marrying out of the tribe.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's just the noble savage mentality brought back again. You've got the cultural supremacist mentalities that lead to a lot of trouble and human rights violations when dealing with the natives but then it snaps back too far the other way and you get people who think the natives are some kind of uncorrupted form of man and that the reason there are problem is capitalism or some shit. It's the idiot Marxists that think the utopian agrarian ideal was some peaceful conglomerate of free spirited flower people or some such nonsense, and not unbroken eons of tribal warfare and slavery and all sorts of naughty shit.

What's funny is the progressive liberals all like to promote tribal traditions and ways of life as anti-colonialism but they're promoting traditions and ways of life that are deeply conservative in ways that run counter to most every progressive liberal ideal.

Like a lot of these societies are literally the patriarchy. Which is hilariously ironic. It reminds me of the sign the petition to end women's suffrage prank.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep... I'm maybe going to get piled on here, but the original plan of Christian missionaries with these people was to abolish those parts of their society that were cruel, pagan, nit-picky, superstitious to the point of leaving people terrified of natural phenomenon, and impure. Those parts of their culture that were good or neutral could move forward (like respect for parents, traditional artwork and crafts, respect for marriage), etc.

The missionaries could go overboard with discouraging traditional languages and with abuses, too. But the basic intentions were good, and even necessary, and worked in many places.

Europeans had to go through this, too. Pagan European culture stank. There were some good parts, some noble parts, but an awful lot of human sacrifice, superstition, cruelty, and weirdness, too. So, not everything moved forward. A lot of stuff did, but not everything. I am somewhat concerned about these attempts I hear of to glorify and bring back pagan Europe. Again, I'm not sure these people understand what, exactly, they're resurrecting. It's not all good.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm the modern era I think it mostly comes from a sincere place it wanting to help people. Whether or not it does is a different discussion.

During the colonial era however I think missionary endeavors were largely propoganda movements designed to placate the natives or brainwash them into overthrowing their leaders so the Europeans could sweep in. Jesuits were pretty notorious for this.

Most obvious example from history would have been the failed Christian rebellion against the Japanese Shogunate. Jesuits tried to get their Christian converts to overthrow the government, and the government responded by banning Christianity and closing the borders for about 300 years.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the white man's burden is out in full force

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember learning in a university class on Canadian history how deeply sexist many Indigenous cultures were, having women eat on the floor, etc. I've since learned that some Indigenous cultures practiced slavery and participated in the African slave trade. I'm rather tired of being forced to play along with this Pocahontas fantasy that all Indigenous cultures have some sort of elevated morality and spirituality....they do not.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it was misogynistic to start with.

Imagine what periods would have been like for women before sanitary products and painkillers.

Likely having a whole week off work every month would have been a real treat. It's not like tribal people's were obsessed with showing hard work ethic like modern WASPs.

[–]Vaporade 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The white guilt is particularly bad here when it comes to aboriginies, and they take advantage of that. Same reason why they blocked people from climbing Ayers Rock, because of "muh sacred land" or some shit.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The is was the first place in Australia to see each sunrise, making it a popular hike

Yes, English.

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So when Aboriginal people had no rights that was ok, about time they got some of there rights back.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based.

[–]IX-Hispana 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's going to be hilarious when they give up as the situation becomes unsustainable and they take the aboriginal lands. AGAIN.