RACENow Australia has lost its damn mind - Handing over control of lands to Aboriginal council results in the council banning women, photos and other visitors and demanding even cartoons and drawings be taken down.

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[–]tiny-brown-mug 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I think people forget how messed up, misogynistic, superstitious, and purity-obsessed a lot of pagan cultures are / were. It's not all love and peace and smoking weed and nature. There are all of these specific rules, sex-based segregation, purity rituals, strange rules about marriage and widowhood, etc.

Bring back the native culture and the native women are shocked they can't go wherever they want or hang out with their own brothers because of incredibly specific rules about purity, clan taboos, etc. Every culture has some good points and some weird points. You want to revert to pre-contact culture, things are going to get a little weird.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Every culture has some good points and some weird points.

Some cultures just deserve extinction - not the people but their culture, case in point, I’m glad the Aztec culture was wiped from the face of the earth. It would be nice if we had a more detailed understanding of their history etc, but I’m glad they’re gone.

[–]jet199 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

West Africa culture was just as blood thirsty as the Aztecs but we are currently meant to celebrate that (even though human sacrifice is still done by the rich in secret).

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m sure we’ll get a Viola Davis film along shortly to inform us of how noble, enlightened and progressive the pre-colonial West Africans were. And you will pay to see it, bigot!

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You'll still see slavery practiced in Africa.

[–]SerpensInferna 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hard agree on that one. The Aztecs were so brutal they pretty much caused their own extinction.

[–]Datachost 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, native tribes in America still have a whole bunch of rules about marrying out of the tribe.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's just the noble savage mentality brought back again. You've got the cultural supremacist mentalities that lead to a lot of trouble and human rights violations when dealing with the natives but then it snaps back too far the other way and you get people who think the natives are some kind of uncorrupted form of man and that the reason there are problem is capitalism or some shit. It's the idiot Marxists that think the utopian agrarian ideal was some peaceful conglomerate of free spirited flower people or some such nonsense, and not unbroken eons of tribal warfare and slavery and all sorts of naughty shit.

What's funny is the progressive liberals all like to promote tribal traditions and ways of life as anti-colonialism but they're promoting traditions and ways of life that are deeply conservative in ways that run counter to most every progressive liberal ideal.

Like a lot of these societies are literally the patriarchy. Which is hilariously ironic. It reminds me of the sign the petition to end women's suffrage prank.

[–]tiny-brown-mug 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep... I'm maybe going to get piled on here, but the original plan of Christian missionaries with these people was to abolish those parts of their society that were cruel, pagan, nit-picky, superstitious to the point of leaving people terrified of natural phenomenon, and impure. Those parts of their culture that were good or neutral could move forward (like respect for parents, traditional artwork and crafts, respect for marriage), etc.

The missionaries could go overboard with discouraging traditional languages and with abuses, too. But the basic intentions were good, and even necessary, and worked in many places.

Europeans had to go through this, too. Pagan European culture stank. There were some good parts, some noble parts, but an awful lot of human sacrifice, superstition, cruelty, and weirdness, too. So, not everything moved forward. A lot of stuff did, but not everything. I am somewhat concerned about these attempts I hear of to glorify and bring back pagan Europe. Again, I'm not sure these people understand what, exactly, they're resurrecting. It's not all good.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm the modern era I think it mostly comes from a sincere place it wanting to help people. Whether or not it does is a different discussion.

During the colonial era however I think missionary endeavors were largely propoganda movements designed to placate the natives or brainwash them into overthrowing their leaders so the Europeans could sweep in. Jesuits were pretty notorious for this.

Most obvious example from history would have been the failed Christian rebellion against the Japanese Shogunate. Jesuits tried to get their Christian converts to overthrow the government, and the government responded by banning Christianity and closing the borders for about 300 years.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the white man's burden is out in full force

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember learning in a university class on Canadian history how deeply sexist many Indigenous cultures were, having women eat on the floor, etc. I've since learned that some Indigenous cultures practiced slavery and participated in the African slave trade. I'm rather tired of being forced to play along with this Pocahontas fantasy that all Indigenous cultures have some sort of elevated morality and spirituality....they do not.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it was misogynistic to start with.

Imagine what periods would have been like for women before sanitary products and painkillers.

Likely having a whole week off work every month would have been a real treat. It's not like tribal people's were obsessed with showing hard work ethic like modern WASPs.