MISANDRYWhy you shouldn't support feminism at all

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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (74 children)

I'll agree that the feminist movement is a deeply flawed movement filled with very hateful people on the fringes of society and that has always been the case be it 1st wave feminism, the suffragette movement, etc.

But to your average schmuck first wave feminism suffragette movement and the rest basically just represents the idea that "women should have equal legal rights to men" in the sense that women should be able to own property, take public office, vote, and not be restricted from the public life. Is that feminism? I'd argue it's not really but many people think that's what 1st wave feminism entails.

So far as conservatives saying they support 1st wave feminism that's more a defensive response to progressive accusations that conservatives want to enforce some semblance of handmaidens tale, while you'll see extreme religious conservatives such as Muslims and more extreme Mennonite aligned factions take positions similar to this it's far from a common or mainstream viewpoint.

The main issue with hardline feminists is that they hate themselves, they hate men, they hate other women, they aren't content with their lives for whatever reason and constantly feel the need to upend the status quo and drag the rest of society into their misery. The only thing that keeps them from being absolute pariahs on the fringes of society is the underlying feminist organizational structure and ideological drive but you'll even see within feminist groups the petty infighting and general stupidity and lack of strong leadership eventually renders them all ineffectual. It's really a fascinating development and the hilarity of some of the things they come up with truly should not be forgotten. Political lesbianism being one of my absolute favorites. You see echos of it now with the new "I refuse to have sex at all because Roe got overturned" online activism trends. But sure, the conservatives want to stop you from having sex ostensibly to control you so you're going to not have sex to show them? Genius move. You're going to get your boyfriend out to campaign for women's rights by refusing to sleep with him? Sure honey, or will it be that he decides to date a woman with no such hangups instead?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (73 children)

women should be able to own property, take public office, vote

Women voting has led to nothing good.

[–]QueenBread 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (72 children)

I'm a woman. Are you telling me I should not be allowed to vote? Am I inferior to a man then?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (70 children)

Am I inferior to a man then?

Women are absolutely not inferior, they're different. The genders simply aren't interchangeable, much to the chagrin of troons. Directly comparing them doesn't work. Nobody wants men watching kids, and nobody wants women responsible for pulling their asses out of a burning building. Equality is lie used to manipulate women.

Are you telling me I should not be allowed to vote?

I believe women should voluntarily give up the vote. Their last vote should be not to vote again.

I'm a woman

Hey bby

[–]QueenBread 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (63 children)

You find me in complete agreement with your first take, about women and men being different and not interchangeable, and about how some roles are just more fitting for men and other roles are more fitting for women. I appreciate someone who has the courage to say nobody wants men watching kids or women saving people from burning buildings, because IT IS true, and I for one hate that as a society we're trying to deny this.

Then, after this, you suddenly say something pretty crazy, such as that women should voluntarily give up the right to vote? I don't get it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (54 children)

One of the biggest failures of democracy is that the voters are not generally knowledgeable about what they're voting for, and usually ill suited to matters of governance. Reducing the quantity will increase the quality of the vote, men are better suited for it.

[–]QueenBread 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

Excuse me but why would men be better suited to vote?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

Women are less logical and rational, more emotional.

Why does a male lion lead a pride when his lazy ass doesn't do anything. Because he's big and strong, loud and aggressive. If another male takes over, he kills the cubs and has his way with the women.

It's biology, a survival strategy. Men are built to war and lead, women to nurture. We each have advantages and disadvantages that suit us to our roles. Testosterone is a white blinding light of rage, which lends itself to action, but also unnecessary violence, estrogen gives women empathy but can also leave them weeping and indecisive.

[–]QueenBread 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (47 children)

Women are less logical and rational, more emotional.

Uhu. Odd, because as you yourself know and admitted, by nature it's always men doing the dumb stuff like dares, and drunken brawls, and dangerous activities just for the eff of it. Hey, it's biological, y'all are made to take risks and not assess danger - which in turn also gets you to do dumb retarded risky stuff and find it fun while you risk breaking your neck.

But it's women being the less rational, eh? Women, you know, the ones who are less aggressive and more empathic.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

I keep thinking about this one incident that happened decades ago. I was in a high biology class, and the teacher pulled me aside. Apparently I'd just unseated one of my classmates as the top ranked student in the class and the student, a girl, was upset about it. I just looked blankly at the teacher, I didn't understand why the hell she was telling me. I was like "cool, so?"

I get it now. The girl had built her identity on being "the smart girl," and she worked really hard at it. But the thing was, I wasn't trying. It was almost effortless on my part beyond paying attention. I guess the teacher wanted me to console her as a fellow academic acheiver, maybe work together, idk. Instead I barely noticed the girl, besides she liked to wear dresses and she didn't always keep her legs closed. I think she might have given up on grades and focused on boys instead.

There was a lot of competition for the top spots academically, and there were a few women. But they all had to work really hard at it. Although in college one of the top 3 ranked students in my assembly class was a hot, tall, leggy blonde. 🤤

it's always men doing the dumb stuff like dares, and drunken brawls, and dangerous activities just for the eff of it.

That reminds of when we did a Chinese fire drill in moving cars. We pulled them up side to side, doing about 40-45 on a back road and everyone crawled through the windows and swapped the car they were in, even the drivers. Oh fuck, I don't know how we survived all that dumb shit lol.

But that stuff is a lot of fun. And if you don't try something you don't know if you can do it.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

He's in denial. The male life sucks, at least for someone like me.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It sounds like that would make women more rational. You're in denial about getting the short end of the stick here. The only thing you can do is point it out and look away from this world.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're in denial about getting the short end of the stick here.

I mean, I am really glad I'm a guy, but I don't know one is objectively better than the other, they're just different.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one is suited for it, democracy is just tyranny of the majority.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Tying a perspn's worth to how needed they are to make babies for society is sick. It's a pointless, evil game. Men are people too, not just flesh robots.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

This phrase is easy to say NOW, that we're so overpopulated. You wouldn't have even thought about this if you were born just a couple hundred years ago.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If I wouldn't have said this a couple hundred years ago, it's because I didn't have access to the information needed to learn this explanation. And/or because my family would beat me beyond recognition and the state would have me burned alive at the stake if I dared express dissent. The game of life is one of the worst, most brutal ideas ever. I pray for all our sakes that it ends soon.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Oh no, buddy, no. No. That's not how it works. Trust me, the whole "pppfft babies aren't that important" thing is a VERY recent thought that you would never have come up with if you lived in an era where everybody around you kept dying left and right.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well good, the less poor souls who have to come into this world the better.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also if it were inconceivable (no pun intended) before overpopulation, how did the early Christians and all the gnostic sects think of it?

[–]cephyrious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

One of the biggest psychological differences between women and men is interest in people vs interest in thing. Interest in people lends itself to politics. In societies that have opened up rights to women the most, female representation in politics is close to 50%. It will most likely exceed 50% eventually, given the interest divide (much like it has done among physicians, psychologists and other occupations that are considered high tier where interest in people is important). And that's fine. It is usually the most competent that reach the top. So, given this, having a take that women shouldn't be allowed to vote is absolutely ridiculous. Having a qualification to vote based on merit is another thing.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

much like it has done among physicians, psychologists and other occupations that are considered high tier where interest in people is important). And that's fine

Those professions suck these days.

[–]cephyrious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Is that because women has entered them or because other, new occupations have surprassed them?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's because education became a big money maker. It's more about selling diplomas than teaching people.

[–]cephyrious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair point. There's definitely been an inflation in diplomas, but why does this make the profession suck? Too many people in it who "chased the diploma" rather than had genuine interest and ability?

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Troons don't want genders to be interchangeable, otherwise they can't be troons.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think sex is a good criteria for which to judge competency to vote or not. I also don't think we can really have such a judgement take place through the legal system as naturally it will be abused. So the only real solution is to allow for everyone to vote who is a citizen.

That said I do think it's important to look at the topic of women's suffrage in history and analyze some questions we'd rather not say for fear of knee jerk reaction through the lense of both our modern understanding and the lens of those in history. There are some fairly compelling arguments against women's suffrage not the least of which is that it along with most other movements towards widening the voter pool are part of a power game and those who advocated for it didn't entirely do so out of merely a desire to further women's rights, but rather as a desire to obtain power through women's votes. It's also worth pointing out that women at the time were split on this issue just as women today are split on most so called feminist issues.

I'd argue however that in general we should not as a society be encouraging people to vote in mass via public campaigns and the like. I for instance will never tell women they need to vote because frankly, while I think it's good if you want to get involved in civics and exercise your voting power, it's also a very important responsibility that isn't to he taken lightly as we do with the "I voted" stickers and rallies that treat it like entertainment, a modern arena if you will" rather than the very somber and serious business of deciding the course of society. As such I will say many women I've met should not vote, just as many men should not vote, but in my own experience the stupid men who shouldn't vote by and large don't care enough to go and do it and would prefer instead to go to the bar or play sports or games or whatever. But the stupid women tend to be much more politically active and engaged in voting and frankly I think a lot of that is the reason why social issues dominate the public discourse of politics rather than economic issues, merely because as a whole women tend to be more extreme and prone to fringes as a consequence of generally being more social than men.

Naturally this is a broad generalization and shouldn't be taken as any comment on your own individual situation. But I've met a number of women who have based their vote on such banal issues like simply liking the way someone's name sounds or thinking someone's attitude is bad on television or some equally idiotic reason irrelevant to any sort of policy. I think there's also a strong tendency for women to become activists towards single issues like abortion, or LGBTQ+, or animal rights, or what have you. And that gives corrupt individuals an in to power and an ability to ravage the treasury if they can campaign on something like ending cruelty in slaughter houses and rally a bunch of idiots to their cause who will scream down at anyone who questions the person's motives or calls for looking at the bigger picture and interplay between many complex systems and ideas with simple moral criticisms.

None of this is purely a women's issue as there are certainly plenty of women who understand well just as there are plenty of men who do not. But I think in terms of generalizations it's safe to say that activism tends to be a very feminine sphere and I think it's fair to criticize this. I won't do anything to stop women or anyone else from voting and I don't think we should, but I do kinda feel like telling women that they shouldn't vote because they are women is helpful overall. If a woman hears that and believes it she is too stupid to vote anyway and nothing of value is lost. She'll believe anything at that point. If she doesn't care and votes anyway that shows at the very least she isn't a total idiot.