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[–]FlyingKangaroo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I understand that a scale of punishment is necessary - I never denied it; my support for death penalty, even though it’s not in the law system of my country, should not be equated with an idea to kill a three year old for stealing candy because that’s simply cruel and useless (but I guess that was a random example you wanted to use as comparison). I think resocialization is a difficult topic but I don’t oppose the whole idea of it: I can see for example that we can use it in various cases, for example for thieves, crimes which weren’t too violent, etc. But with that topic, it’s good to remember that not everyone in society would wish to live next to someone who is a paedophile, even just realized that this is their “attraction”.

I feel that what you describe might prompt some people to commit crimes but not all, I can’t tell how much obviously. It’s all thought experiments after all. That’s why I say people who realize they’re like that should be isolated from everyone but then comes the question is it profitable to keep them secured and alive. Of course a person who actually abused someone is much worse who didn’t do it (yet?); however, it’s a quite dangerous idea to let people know that paedophilia is something that can be “harmless” enough to not be acted on. I don’t trust these who call themselves “virtuous paedophiles” - I see it more as a way of tricking society into accepting something evil, even on a small scale. Safety of children shouldn’t be sacrificed even for letting free people who admit to such abusive fantasies, with the idea that just talking to them and trying to help them to navigate this would be enough to keep them from committing crime.

Perhaps this is also because I’m not willing to see it as any kind of disorder to be managed with therapy.

Of course we have different views on it; let’s just hope the society won’t do anything risky with it, just as it did with normalizing various other dangerous behaviors.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, that ties to the big issue. Again, the goal should be to try and stop someone from acting on their impulse, but part of that is, if you give the pedophile who hasn't offended yet the same brutal punishment as the pedophile who offended (and given how inmates despise child molestors above all else, even "throw the non-offender in jail" is pretty much guaranteeing the same brutality), and since pedophilia is a sexual abnormality and wanting something reprehensible out of sex...if you do this, then suddenly you put the Pascal's Wager in the hands of the people who offend as the benefit over the non offender.

Assuming it's "non-offenders can seek help of some type to not offend, pedophiles get the woodchipper":

IF YOU DON'T OFFEND: You can seek help for this problem and try to move past it to live a normal life without fear of retribution for this impulse, assuming you never act on it.

IF YOU OFFEND: Death. You must die for what you did to that child.

Advantage: Don't offend.

BUT, if it's "all pedophiles face the wall", it becomes:

IF YOU DON'T OFFEND: Death. You must die for this evil thought.

IF YOU OFFEND: Death. You must die for this evil thought that you acted on when you did that to the child.

ADVANTAGE: The offender. They both died, but the offender got to live out this fantasy before they got killed.