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[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Jewish higher income is down to just bring brighter. It's why they make up such a chunk of novel winners.

Wrong. Please show your proof of this. It has been demonstrated several times that their overrepresentation cannot be explained with higher intelligence. They are simply too few compared to their overrepresentation.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

It has been demonstrated several times that their overrepresentation cannot be explained with higher intelligence.

Wrong, please show your proof of this.

My data is that with an average IQ of 111, and verbal IQ of about 125 as a group, they'll produce about 4x to 64x functioning geniuses and super producers. It roughly doubles as group IQ goes up five points.

However, verbal IQ is way more relevant to income and achievement than non verbal. So I'm not entirely sure how that would affect the multiplier.

Your turn.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Jews don't have 111 average IQ. Israel has below 100.

A small subgroup of jews have 111 average IQ. 4x is not enough to observe the data. With 111 mean, they have 2.66% above 140, which is 7 times that of mean 100 and with 125 mean 41 times that of mean 100.

Even with those numbers, they do not match what we observe. Not even if ALL jews were Ashkenazi jews, which they aren't.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Jews don't have 111 average IQ. Israel has below 100.

They are Sephardic Jews. It's the Ashkenazi western that have the high IQ. And all those Nobel prizes. And the money.

Intelligence differences between European and oriental Jews in Israel

A review of studies shows that Oriental Jews in Israel have an average IQ 14 points lower than that of European (largely Ashkenazi) Jews.

Like I said, it appears to be verbal not VS that's important for life outcomes. Making money and running a business empire needs people skills and good organization.

Also genius at making money or education doesn't kick in at 140. Most mega rich etc are in the 130 area.

You're also not supplying the data you need to make your case. You need to find something along the lines of group income by IQ and see if the net income of a Jew at 130 plus is higher than a comparable gentile.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They are Sephardic Jews. It's the Ashkenazi western that have the high IQ. And all those Nobel prizes. And the money.

A review of studies shows that Oriental Jews in Israel have an average IQ 14 points lower than that of European (largely Ashkenazi) Jews.

Sefarad = Spain, they're also "European." Oriental here probably refers to Mizrahi and possibly Kaifeng Jews.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Kaifeng Jews.

Like Mao.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My bad.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No, you need to find % of US Billionaires, % of university students etc for jews and then you need to figure out if your IQ can explain the overrepresentation. It has already been done multiple times and it cannot.

You made the claim that it can be explained by their higher intelligence. Now show us that its true. You cant because its not true. You can search s/debatealtright for posts about it where people go through it detailed.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Now show us that its true. You cant because its not true. You can search s/debatealtright for posts about it where people go through it detailed.

Don't be lazy, link or its bullshit.

They make up only 2% of US population, but 25% of 400 wealthiest Americans.

So an over represent of x 14.5

Yeah, a shift of an SD plus will cause that kind of disparity. Assuming its verbal that correlates best and it does look like it re crime etc.

Frequency of gifted doubling as the mean goes up on verbal;

105: 110: 115: 120: 125

Multiplyer (very rough)

2: 4: 8: 16: 32

So totally achievable.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/57yq/an_analysis_of_jewish_iq_and_overrepresentation/

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7bsm/brilliant_article_from_thuletide_shatters_the/

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

First one. Basic logic mistake in his maths lower down.

Since Jews in the US make up about 2% of the US population and white Americans make about around 60% this would mean that, once we correct for proportions, Jews are (6 * (0.02/0.60)) = 0.2x times more likely to be represented in American "elite" samples

If Jews make up 2% of the population and they are 6 times more likely to produce elites, you'd expect 12% of the elite to be Jewish.

This also doesn't grasp the verbal IQ has a stronger correlation to life outcomes. So... Try again. Probably the reason east Asian performance isn't quite where you'd expect it to be, as their advantage is mostly on VS.

https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2018/10/on-the-east-asian-white-advantage-on-scholastic-tests/

Assorted.

Are IQ discrepancies between SES groups primarily the result of Verbal Scale differences?

However, for the lowest and highest groups the verbal scale was more closely associated with the full scale score. While IQ discrepancies between SES groups are not primarily the result of verbal scale differences, the verbal scale is a significant factor in the scores of the highest and lowest SES groups

Verbal measures of cognitive ability: The gifted low SES student's albatross

Analysis of the test scores indicated that the primary reason low SES students did not meet criteria for gifted placement was low test scores on the verbal subtests.

Graduate Student Selection: Graduate record examination, socioeconomic status, and undergraduate grade point average as predictors of study success in a western European University

Results indicated that the Analytical Writing part of the GRE predicts graduate grade point average above and beyond U‐GPA. Furthermore, the results suggest that the relationship is independent of students' socioeconomic status

Verbal and nonverbal intelligence scores within the context of poverty

Large gaps were found between students’ verbal and nonverbal intelligence scores; such gaps were not specific to any particular grade or ability level but rather were seen in all of the examined grades. Gaps were even larger for students with higher nonverbal IQ scores. Results suggest that assessments based solely on nonverbal scores should be interpreted with caution.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If Jews make up 2% of the population and they are 6 times more likely to produce elites, you'd expect 12% of the elite to be Jewish.

But they're actually 30-40%, sometimes more.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think they do.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The 12% is based in average IQ. As I think I've pointed out with many links, it's the verbal that correlates better and that's 125.

And as you get further away from the average income the more the very high group gets represented.