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    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Definitely. The Kosher sandwich in full enforcement

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Meritocratic Contests

    A common claim of skeptics is the that overrepresentation of Jews in various Fields is due to nepotism. Such a claim is hard to empirically test, even if we have many anecdotes or strong corroborating evidence that renders all other explanations as unlikely. However, we might be able to find evidence that dovetails with our expectations on Ashkenazi IQ in fields where nepotism is seems very unlikely. If the proportion of Jews in these fields is what we would expect give our assumptions on populations and mean IQ scores, we could simultaneously get more validation that the Jewish IQ is 110 and that any fields/areas that deviate from our expectations on overrepresentation are due to “something else”. Some examples of these could be Nobel Prizes and Chess/game champions, what I will dub as “Meritocratic Contests” Intuitively, it seems highly unlikely that a chess match could be rigged to favor Jewish participants. Likewise, Nobel prizes are awarded by a panel of individuals ostensibly interested in simply acknowledging scientific advancement and accomplishments. It could be argued that some Jews (on such a panel) try to award prizes to fellow Jews - but more likely, the process is a largely meritocratic one that mostly ends up rewarding the most deserving (and intelligent) scientists in Chemistry, Medicine, Physics, or Economics (Peace and Literature are not real prizes, do not select for IQ, and are politically manipulated - and debatably Econ is as well, to a lesser degree). Also, Jews awarding prizes in science to fellow Jews is of little benefit beyond ethnic prestige, something which Jews already have an excess. So, there isn't the same mechanistic incentive for nepotism in awarding Nobel prizes as there would be for industries like The Media or Academia where nepotism could serve an obvious functional advantage for Jews.

    The assumption that these contests and prizes are most entirely meritocratic and purely reward genius levels of intelligence means they should offer a very good test as to whether 110 is the correct average for Ashkenazis.

    Ann Roe gave 64 nobel-winning “most eminent” scientists a battery of IQ tests in her 1952 book The Making of a Scientist. (Roe 1952) (p.160-170). PumpkinPerson talks about this data as well and here are some tables 12 from this post on Quora.. The average of the average IQs for all measures (Verbal, Spatial, Mathematical) in the second table is 151.9, which we will round to 150 because that’s easier.

    Using the table we already prepared, we can see that the expected representation for Ashkenazis in the 150 tranche is 22.9%

    Lynn reports on Nobel prizes, Chess, and Bridge in the US on pages 296, 301, and 301 respectively.

    Of the 200 American Nobel Prize Winners, 62 have been Jewish (31 Percent)

    This is higher than our expected 22.9%. For chess, there is a problem in that the US as it hasn’t produced that many Chessmasters. Only five out of 141 have been American since 1851, and three of these were Jewish. So, the fact that Jews make up 60% of them doesn't mean a whole lot because our sample is very small. In contrast to chess, Americans made up 55 of the 156 top-rated bridge players in 2004, and 18 of these were Jewish. 18/55 is .327 or 33%, again higher than our expected 22.9%.

    So the meritocratic contests of intelligence would seem to also indicate Ashkenazi IQ is 110-112, barring all of our assumptions on IQ being normal distributed and these tests requiring an IQ of 150, etc. etc.

    It should also be noted the extreme sensitivity to which expected representation is impacted by a change in average IQ. Moving Ash IQ to to 112 yields 30.5%, but yields 43.3% at 115. This gives us an idea that, given all our other assumptions, average IQ for Jews is possibly as high as 112, but not as high as 115. Changing the SD is even more profound - moving the SD from 15 to 17 yields 46%, 54%, and 65% for 110, 112, and 115 respectively.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Wow surprised I've never seen this

    Guy comes to basically the same conclusions even, if more aggressively skeptical. I don't make any accusations of fakery, of course it's not impossible. On Israel, Lynn addresses this too

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Some weaknesses of this analysis:

    • Assuming the SD of Jewish IQ is also 15. It could well be higher, which would increase the number of Jews with h high IQs. However, it could also be lower owing to Jews being highly geneticially homogeneous. This very same phenomenon suppresses the standard deviation of East Asians despite being higher than whites

    • I didn’t discuss g. I wanted to talk about how verbal IQ is highly g-loaded, and Jews core higher on verbal, but the post was getting too long and complicated to explain this. I’m sure it will come up in the comments.

    • Although IQ cannot explain overrepresentation alone, some aspects of Jewish personality (e.g., Big 5) could probably explain more. I know Cremieux talks about this, but its too much for me to cover ATM

    • Assuming IQ is normally distributed. It could be that IQ has heavier tails than a perfectly normal distribution, in which case the number of high-IQ Jews would also increase significantly

    • Jewish and White US population over time: We basically assumed these ratios have been constant throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. This is obviously not true, so Jews were even more ridiculously overrepresented in areas like Hollywood, the media etc. the farther back you go. However, if you wanted to start correcting for population differentials over time, you might also want to take the Flynn Effect into account, etc. Things can get complicated fast

    [–]DestroyerOfSoy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    verbal IQ is highly g-loaded

    How does that compare to spacial reasoning? My question in short, how do we measure different "kinds" of intelligence like Verbal, Spacial Reasoning, Emotional, and compare it to g-factor? I'm guessing the common factor is heritability influenced by test construction. The reason being I think these things are all very heritable to varying degrees based on definitions and how tests are constructed but still very useful nonetheless and strive for best categorization. It helps to see how scores correlate to life outcomes. I see this is harder when defining things like "Emotional Intelligence". Correct me if I'm wrong.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Different kinds of tests measure different cognitive skills. G-loadedness depends on how much a given test's scores correlate with scores on other tests

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)#Cognitive_ability_testing

    these correlations indicate an underlying "general factor" of intelligence. The g-factor also accounts for almost all of the predictive power of IQ tests

    Jews score particularly high on verbal bit fairly average on spatial intelligence. This is probably a partial reason why they are so prominent in "social sciences" but not so much in engineering

    [–]DestroyerOfSoy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You're damn fast. Couldn't even reword my hap-hazard question. Thanks.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Haha np. Lurking while I should be working

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Saved parts of Richard Lynn’s The Chosen People PDF (subtract 8 pages for the book page)

    Table of Contents p. 8

    Britain p. 79

    British IQ studies p. 84

    Canada p. 105 el IQ of Jews be explained?

    ..The first troubling conclusion raised by high Jewish IQ is that it is difficult to avoid the conclusion their high IQ must have a genetic basis. Five reasons for the inescapability of this conclusion have been given in chapter 20… Most social scientists are reluctant to spell out this conclusion, either because they are ideaologically committed equalitarians on race differences, or because they fear the criticisms they would be certain to incur..

    The second troubling conclusion that has to be drawn from the high IQ of Jews is that it seems to have been a eugenics success story.. But who wants to admit that eugenics works and has contributed to high intelligence and achievements of this extraordinarily gifted people? Evidently not those who have written textbooks on psychology, sociology, and intelligence

    ..a third troubling conclusion. That is that an ethnic group with a high IQ succeeds despite discrimination, and this raises the question of why other ethnic groups have failed to succeed. The standard explanation of why Blacks, non-white Hispanics, and American Indians do so poorly in IQ, education, earnings, and socioeconomic status is that whites discriminate against them.. Yet, the Jews have suffered a great deal of discrimination over the last 2000 years, and it has apparently not had an adverse effect on their intelligence or their achievements. How can this be explained? The only possible inference that can be drawn is that an ethnic group with a high IQ succeeds despite discrimination. This, in turn, discredits the theory that Blacks, Hispanics and American Indians have failed to achieve equality with Whites because of discrimination.. this is another of the reasons why a discreet veil of silence has been drawn over the high Jewish IQ

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      [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      regardless of whether they ARE more intelligent..

      they are just nepotistic ethnocentric assholes

      Why not both?

      This exercise is necessary for the sake of consistency. If IQ explains disparities in say, the black-White IQ gap (it does), then why can't it explain the achievement gap between Jews and gentiles? This is a valid question that our detractors can and do ask, and it needs to be refuted. Dismissing the claim or evidence without evaluation is exactly what our opponents do when we talk about IQ

      The analysis here, assuming it holds up to scrutiny, shows that Jewish IQ cannot explain overrepresentation in relevant areas. So now our opponents have to come up with reasons to explain the gaps we still see that aren't tantamount to a "conspiracy" or positive discrimination owing to ethnocentrism. A higher average level intelligence is probably thought of as a necessary but insufficient condition for Jewish dominance of our institutions

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        [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        This is a long-winded and strange justification to try and deny the relevance or practicality of IQ. You're worried about coming off as a "heartless asshole" yet concede most people, if honest, "would admit they believe blacks to be less intelligent?" By contrast, relying on a scientific measure and pointing out group differences is simply a statement of fact.

        I think.. our evolutionary paths diverged and were substantially different.. and that our brains are significantly different as a result

        OK - but how do you prove that African and Euro brains are "significantly different?" If we only we had some kind of objective measurement for intelligence that could show this..

        but the difference is probably small

        but we just demonstrated in this post what evidence we have indicates the difference is not all that small

        that suggested pre civilization humans in cold climates were likely significantly more intelligent than modern humans

        This is the "Cold Winters" theory put forth by a number of authors, including Lynn in Race Differences, which is linked in the body. Cold winters theory alone is inadequate in explaining the lower IQ (but larger brains) of Arctic Peoples (~90) compared to Europeans and East Asians - which probably indicates agriculture is a significant part of the equation. But no one knows for sure, specialization could play a role. Humans are constantly evolving even up to the present. People alive today might not be able to survive and reproduce in prehistory or ancient times, and vice versa

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          [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          There is no reason rapid evolution cannot happen under a relatively short period of time under the right conditions. It all depends on the environmental selection pressures. A thousand years or so could have definitely produced this difference between Jews and Gentiles, if the pressures were strong enough.

          [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          the best intro vid to the JQ IMO is AltHype’s “A Celebration of the Jewish People”

          Have you seen the video on JQ by American Krogan? It is over hour long so it may not be perfect to share with normies but I think it is better intro to JQ, information-wise.

          [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Haven't yet but I really like Krogan's stuff so I'll check it out

          One of my favorites

          [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          This analysis has several key flaws

          [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Like what

          [–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Very intriguing read, I'll have to apply that to the rest of my knowledge thus far. Just a few questions; how would you apply this knowledge to the "antisemites believe Jews control the world while being an inferior group" meme that's popular among these groups, and what do you say of the take that claims they are competing against one another across media networks and are not united in a conspiracy?

          [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Sorry - Ill respond to your comment later, its a lot to unpack and want to give you a thoughtful reply

          [–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Well then, keep me in the loop.