Female HS student files civil rights complaint: 'I felt very violated' changing in locker room when transgender student was 'looking at me'

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[–]SundogsPlace[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Any opinions on this?

[–]Farseli 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That the real solution is going to be having a third room, or private places to get changed.

Related: restrooms. Which restroom should Buck Angel be using when out in public?

Plus things get super messy when you take Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome into account, people with XY chromosomes but their bodies didn't react to androgens so they developed feminine bodies. That's a male genotype, with a female-like phenotype, and probably a female gender identity (usually they are raised female and only learn something is different when they never get a period). Biology doesn't want to make this easy.

Give people more privacy. Stop forcing them to change in front of other people if they don't want to.

[–]SundogsPlace[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You bring up a good point, some people have different 'things' going on. I'm personally a big believer in personal choice, personal development, and attempting to dig past our chemical, and other influencers to find true self, and what our true self wants.

Now getting to this point is about as difficult as you can get since we use external influences, and even the chemicals ingested are what we use as feedback for decisions; so perhaps meditation would be good for people.

Notice, usually they want folks to go to a counciling; which again is someone else with their influences effecting them, trying to influence you; so yes, more privacy, and self determination.

[–]MojaveCoyote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been a fan of the third bathroom option for a while. Since 'LGGBDTTTIQQAAPP' claims to be very big on inclusivity, there should be a third bathroom that covers them.

[–]BackwardsCompatible 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or if not third bathrooms, multiples of those "family" bathrooms where one person goes in at a time and can lock the door. That way everyone just uses their own bathroom. Pain for companies and expensive? Yeah sure, but it is an option. Smaller places could get away with this. A local ice cream store has a "family" bathroom and everyone just uses that regardless.

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So sad that it's got to where a courageous person has to take it to a court (no guarantee of objectivity there either, even more sadly). I liked it better when if you weren't one of the two major groups, no one wanted to know. No harm meant, no blame. I'm sure it wasn't easy for the suppressed ones, but it made public life a lot simpler.

[–]SundogsPlace[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a lot of folks that don't 'fit in'. I remember as far back as the early 80's, seems like most anything went back then; so I don't comprehend how the media continually tells us how bad we are as a society. I know differences were never a big deal to me.

[–]ezra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Perverts shouldn't be allowed in bathrooms. Transgender people should. If they overlap, kick em out.

[–]SundogsPlace[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I wouldn't risk my family with that; specifically, I don't want hours of explanation to a child, to comfort them, out of my own time.

Is that wrong? If someone else chooses to cut, nip, tuck, or scrawl all over their body, why is it up to me, to waste my life energy, my time, in explaining to my children anything other than 'they're all freaks'?

Furthermore, and on that topic, since as the parent, why can I not teach them,'be polite, as you'll be labeled as a hater at any age, but don't turn your back on anyone, always be keenly aware'?

I do see that as a burden on all of society, instead of getting straight to whatever business these days, instead, there's an extra timed amount given to 'orientation, and gender', which has never been there before, and if not planning on ever screwing anyone, why does anyone need to have their time wasted in hearing it???

That is after all the most precious thing on this planet, "TIME", so why force others that want to explore the natural world, have instead to deal with people wanting attention?

[–]ezra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you think transgender people just want attention? that's a rather simplified worldview.

and comparing transgender people to self harmers? that's a bit of a stretch.

[–]SundogsPlace[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think a great deal of all people, the strong majority live for attention; hence why social media focus is on how to create an artificial means of dopamine satisfaction. Considering this, and other things I've learned, I do believe there are large numbers of people doing things to themselves that in the end, they hate; for examples, pick any of the societal 'trends' over the last 2 to 3 decades; there are regrets.

From the angle 'for attention', other than transgender, I think there are a lot of people who're willing to do all sorts of self harm for a minute of being 'cool'.On the topic of transgender, the numbers for people who've had reassignment surgery, then changed their minds, or with mental illness: https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/06/17166/ I think it's valid to have concern for people rushing into something based off an artificial media frenzied, 'cool factor'.

I honestly don't care what anyone else does, or how they live their lives; as I want the same, to be left alone, and live my life. I accomplish this, by minding my own business in public, and trying to be respectful.

That's not good enough though apparently. Many to most people wear their emotions on their shirtsleeves, never realizing the next mullet has a life, and the problems that go along with that. Anymore to look at anyone, and not give the 'appropriate' response, is viewed as hate. If a regular mullet is having a bad day, and screams at the next regular mullet, it's just what it is, but if said mullet screams at any of the media propped up special groups, then it's 'hate'. I see this as a problem, and I also see the problem of 'everyone' just wanting to live their live, the way the see fit, as well as being recognized, acknowledged, seen, known by everyone else as a problem also. People literally make spectacles of themselves, because they want to be seen, then are upset when people see them, and in whatever means proverbially tell them to go take a hike; just like they would with anyone disturbing them.

The fact is, no one needs any special group to belong to for a healthy dose of ZERO acknowledgment. Is the world turning proverbially cold, as people don't care anymore, or has it always been that way? I don't know, but it's definitely that way now, as seen by way of video. My point is? Any group that demands any acknowledgment, is asking for something the general societal mullet never gets; so why should '(insert group here)' have it extra special?

[–]ezra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

And what would you do if one of your children ended up 'cutting, nipping, tucking, or scrawling all over those bodies' (whatever the fuck that means)? You're just gonna tell them they're freaks?

Us LGBT people are gonna exist whether you like it or not. You don't have to pay any attention to us so long as you respect us.

[–]SundogsPlace[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hi Ezra,

Great questions. In regards to children, We're breeding idiots; the idea of knowledge in school is a forgone memory. Most people void of modern society wouldn't survive.

As far as my concern, or care over what my children do once they're grown, other than just live, and love, not much. I would hope that knowledge given, and learned when young, would aid in them being able to make the correct choices for themselves.

What's being taught in schools anymore is a joke. We as a whole need to step back, and look at what's really necessary for life, then rethink school of any form. The 4 aspects I know would make anyone able to put shelter over their heads, and food in their belly's are: reading, writing, arithmetic, and govt law/contracts.

If kids can grasp all the above, and the importance; they'll be able to accomplish food, and shelter. From there, it's their life, to live. There are a couple other things that would make them more well rounded; like being traveled, and having at the least a second language(gained with travel).

From there, as far as respect, or acknowledgment, I think my first post answers this, but I'll go into it a little further here. Respect, is the other aspect of what I think all people need to be taught fundamentally.

The term is used differently by different people, and of varying levels of moral, or ethical beliefs. To me, the idea of respect is simple. Respect is what I use to get through my day, and to get back to my home, and relax without having any issues while away. Respect is a stress reliever, a pain killer, and a mood lightener. It's simply knowing that we all are here experiencing this temporal world; not knowing where each of us has come from before, or where each of us is going next. It's the idea that everything we do, may matter to each of us individually on a larger scale, and not necessarily to the whole on this level; leave others to their own. Respect does, and can evoke good emotions, like kindness, happiness, love, et el; realize this. Respect also keeps us safe, we never know who we're dealing with whether in person, online, or in any way, or means; respect maybe the difference between someone taking their anger out against said person, or finding the next mullet.

In this way, I don't cater to, or bow to any group, man, woman, or anything, but always give respect; it just works.

Did I answer your questions, concerns, or leave you scratching your head?

[–]ezra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at, but don't feel the need to continue. I just don't understand why you continually post things to your sub basically hating on trans people. You seem like a nice person. I don't understand.

[–]SundogsPlace[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's too bad, and you're correct, I'm a nice person, and not hating on anyone. A great deal of what I write is usually generalized, meaning that if you reread much of what I wrote, it's generalized towards all of society. To be clear, and specific on one point that you seemed to focus on, was the nipping, cutting, and scrawling. A small example would be the Pamela Anderson barbed wire tribal tattoo; do you realize how many people got that, just to fit in? You saw the tat everywhere, it went from super cool, to super humorous. This is an example of what I'm talking about; people jump on trends as a means of perceived elevated status for little more than recognition.

The cabal, and their mouthpieces scream we all have special choices, but as long as they're within (insert approved special group here), and not outside of that. The only thing I've been trying to say, is people in general have their own reason for what they do, disapprove of, or approve of.

If a young girl doesn't feel comfortable, or secure showering with anyone else, and due to the fact she sees male genetalia, it should be her exclusive right to say no.... Simply because none of us have walked in her shoes. We don't know what triggers, or just dislikes she may have, and to tell her 'tolerance' on such an intimate time as changing, and showering, is wrong. We all need to get along was, and is my point.

[–]ezra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mean, trans women are usually (this is a very general statement) not so happy with their male genitalia either. They wouldn't typically be exposing themselves in public - if so, I'd assume that they'd have some other type of issue, if you know what you mean. As a trans male, I would NEVER openly change in a public space due to my dysphoria and not wanting to make other guys feel uncomfortable.

I agree that we need to get along, and I agree that a little girl shouldn't have to see a penis. I don't think very many people are arguing that.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hi Ezra, It's me, Sundog, aka Sancho. Simple story, my significant other created sundogsplace, and now finally, I'm just me.

I had wondered, but now from your last post, I see that you indeed find this topic near, and dear; I can comprehend that, and the emotions that go along with it.

I find common ground in your last post on a multitude of things; I also don't like being naked in public, lol....... But more so you touch upon others emotions, and perceptions; which I applaud you for, more people need to learn to think of others, but on their own without force.

I won't bore you any longer, you were already wanting to move along, but have you ever listened to Camille Paglia? I just recently stumbled upon her, and find a lot of common ground in a lot of what's said; I don't take her as authority, but someone with at least an original thought, or more.

[–]ezra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never heard of her. A quick google shows she's a trans women who doesn't identify with being a woman, not really sure what that means. And she's very anti-puberty blockers. I'm actually a minor who started cross-sex hormones at 16, so I guess she'd hate me.

Interesting. I fundamentally disagree with her. Trans women are women in my eyes; trans men are men. I've spent a long time debating this with so-called gender critical people on reddit, who she may identify with. Who knows. Interesting to see differing opinion, though.