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Are you making the claim that no such thing ever happened? Or are you saying it was exaggerated. I think there is a tremendous distinction between these two things that people often do not make

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    Yeah I don't disagree. I just think phrasing of it as "denialism" isn't helpful to getting this message out. The propagandists want to label people as holocaust "deniers" because normal people hear this and immediately dismiss any arguments, because they interpret this as someone claiming absolutely nothing ever happened, rather than the narrative being exaggerated and twisted by the victorious side, and are not likely to even consider such a claim.

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      Yes, I am well aware of this. But the average person is not going to be making this kind of nuanced distinction in semantics. When the NYT writes articles saying such and such an app or person was doing holocaust denial, the readers are definitely not aware of this distinction, and assume these people must be completely insane, because to them the holocaust just means 'The Germans rounded them up, robbed them, put them in camps, and a very large amount of them died' which is unquestionably true. You call this the 'natural consequence of war' but I'm not sure this is really an accurate depiction when a country is doing this internally, this is not 'war' in the colloquial sense that most people would use this word.

      If you want the facts to ever be anything more than fringe, I just don't think presenting it in this way is likely to be effective, people have been propagandized, they aren't going to be receptive to the framing of that argument unless they have already been radicalized against establishment narratives