I'm Un-Modding From My Subs About Power, Corruption & Lies

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

How could lxxxviii possibly take down SaidIt from behind the scenes? What is ILoveCher?

I understand there may be some security issues, but if we aren't aware of them, then we can't build a next-gen forum that's resistant to them, as well as future larger ops. I don't need to know specifics (I don't code) but others on the team will, and I expect folks like /u/d3rr, /u/Jesus, and /u/Tom_Bombadil will want to weigh in on the next-gen forum projects I'll be proposing soon.

Everyone has their reasons for doing shit. Doesn't make them right. M7 founded this site and has exclusive right to run it as he sees fit. We have 100% right to not like it and to express our dissatisfaction until he bans us. Some of his policies are problematic and the lack of consistency is MUCH more problematic. Worse than those is lack of democracy. There is no shortage of ways to arrange systems to manage things better and democratically, yet still remain under his veto powers. More minds are better than one ego. He has refused every single time without exception. Either he has a tremendous blind spot or he is determined to self-sabotage and stunt the potential of SaidIt - making this place a limited hangout of sorts.

Yes, M7 most certainly has meltdowns with a typical behaviour. He is human, and under a lot of stress (much self-imposed), and when he cracks on occasion, his logic goes out the window, things become black and white and extremist, and he'll make paranoid nonsense accusations at people, claiming they're determined to destroy SaidIt simply because they don't see eye to eye. It's one thing to be ignorant or wrong about something but it's a completely different matter to be liar with malicious intent to deceive. Liar is a completely inappropriate word he's resorted to throwing around, made worse with the weight carried with his position. I could go on, but I won't. He's human, as we all are, and if anyone doubts my words you may ask other respected Saiditors if I am not correct. PM me and I can give you witnesses/references.

It's NOT my goal to attack M7. He is human, and IMO, he is a great hero. There are MANY heroes on SaidIt. Systems are flawed, yet he doesn't foster arenas for improvements. We can do better. He can help. Personally, I WANT him to help with the next-gen forum dev. He has deep experience, insights, and wisdom. All hope is NOT lost. If nothing else, pass that on. The light at the end of the tunnel is coming, and thought it's not heaven it will be better.

It's been a long time coming, but I think I have seed ideas we can all embrace, improve, and build upon, and if M7's ego and need for ultimate control can be tempered then he could certainly be on the lead team, perhaps even the ultimate head of it again. He's been talking about setting up several SaidIt-like forums, but IMO that's not the best long-term solution (in fact I think it would be divisive and negative overall to build separate echo-chambers). It may be possible and practical with what exists in the short term, but I'm thinking beyond what exists to what we'll need in the future. More soon.

It's not a bit far. M7 is neither a dictator nor a monarch, but his executive power on SaidIt is irrefutable. He's chosen to be the judge, jury, and executioner, alone.

Removing /s/Vampires from /s/all doesn't "fix" the mod abuse. He needs to be schooled to correct it and/or modify his sidebox with clearly understood exception rules (not esoteric mumbo-jumbo). Same with /s/IronLeft and other power-mods who censor willy-nilly when it's clearly against SaidIt's policies. Reddit-like mod abuses must be tamed or stomped.

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How could lxxxviii possibly take down SaidIt from behind the scenes?

He wants to burry SaidIt beneath a mountain of spam and troll posts, so people's speech is never seen.

What is ILoveCher?

A troll who spammed porn and advocating for violence constantly. Magnora banned him, like, eighty times, and I banned him a dozen times.

I understand there may be some security issues, but if we aren't aware of them

I'm not entirely sure what they are, and I was explicitly told not to talk about the ones I do know about.

Everyone has their reasons for doing shit. Doesn't make them right.

Yeah.

M7 founded this site and has exclusive right to run it as he sees fit. We have 100% right to not like it and to express our dissatisfaction until he bans us.

Mhm. I do agree with you on some things, and I honestly quite dislike administrating the way M7 does.

Worse than those is lack of democracy.

I agree. I really hate banning people without letting them defend themself, and would personally have trouble making an important decision without asking the user-base.

He has refused every single time without exception.

Oh.

Yes, M7 most certainly has meltdowns with a typical behaviour. He is human, and under a lot of stress (much self-imposed), and when he cracks on occasion, his logic goes out the window, things become black and white and extremist, and he'll make paranoid nonsense accusations at people, claiming they're determined to destroy SaidIt simply because they don't see eye to eye.

I had no idea.

Systems are flawed, yet he doesn't foster arenas for improvements.

I have a lot of reservations about the website, but have yet to publicly express them. There are some things I'm not able to talk about, though, for security reasons.

It's been a long time coming, but I think I have seed ideas we can all embrace, improve, and build upon

Great, looking forward to them.

in fact I think it would be divisive and negative overall to build separate echo-chambers

Yeah, but he's convinced it's the way to go.

his executive power on SaidIt is irrefutable. He's chosen to be the judge, jury, and executioner, alone.

That's certainly true. And that's currently the power I now have in his absence, and I hate it.

Removing /s/Vampires from /s/all doesn't "fix" the mod abuse. He needs to be schooled to correct it and/or modify his sidebox with clearly understood exception rules (not esoteric mumbo-jumbo). Same with /s/IronLeft and other power-mods who censor willy-nilly when it's clearly against SaidIt's policies. Reddit-like mod abuses must be tamed or stomped.

Yeah, but I don't want to go too far with it. I was going to talk to him, but it seems that his account is inactive.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Decentralized sites to co-indie-host instances is most certainly the way to go. Spread out across the Interwebs, co-host at work, at home, and all the places individuals maintain control over. Fuck corporations and their strangleholds. Provide "free" wi-fi and B.A.T.M.A.N. networks. IMO every capable human should have decentralized home and/or office servers, just like they have appliances.

But dividing up the community is a bad idea, IMO. If the subs had actually been managed years back, then people would be able to share community-packs (for lack of a better term) collecting topical subs into categories/packs. I tried to categorize the subs into multi-subs years ago.

Simplistic options to join might include:

  • Politics Pack
  • Progressive Pack
  • Conservative Pack
  • Conspiracy Pack
  • Non-Partisan Pack
  • Solutions Pack
  • Wellness Pack
  • Counter-Culture Pack
  • Geek Pack
  • DIY Pack
  • Hobbies Pack
  • Video Pack
  • Gaming Pack
  • etc etc etc

I would expect many people would stay within their interests. Further, folks in these communities would decide what subs are included or not.

It would be like a better managed filter level between /s/all and the chaos of all the subs. IMO, without knowing anything about coding, it would still be very possible and practical for the current SaidIt, though sorting through the hundreds of subs would be a pain, but once accomplished could be very worth while.

yet he doesn't foster arenas for improvements.

I have a lot of reservations about the website, but have yet to publicly express them.

I think you should express them, especially in the next-gen forum discussions. Omit security issues or discuss them as hypotheticals.

It doesn't take a genius to ask for suggestions and help. I created /s/IdeasForSaidit, /s/SaidItSurveys, and others to help foster teamwork. I'm quite positive those subs could be thriving if he'd bothered to cultivate a team spirit and community towards perpetual improvement. I don't know what mires him down (besides global tyranny). It's still not too late for some of this, even as we develop the next-gen ideas, we'll still need this platform to be firm to evolve from, ideally bringing all of this content along too.

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Decentralization seems kind of cool, but it could be abused if it's too decentralized. That would solve the issue of mod abuse, though, since someone else could just make a new, for example, politics server and users could switch over.

I do plan on talking about a few things, and want to be part of the community.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, decentralization has some serious tribalizing issues. And they can be discussed and perhaps remedied. I have a bunch of abstract ideas (I'm no coder), and can brainstorm more, but they aren't worth bringing up unless folks get serious about developing a Next-Gen Forum.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly, there are probably more bots and people here trying to subert and destroy this platform then there are not.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect you're correct.