Can we have less use of the words "left" and "right" here, please?
submitted 4 years ago by Robin from (self.SaidIt)
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[–]useless_aether 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun - 4 years ago (8 children)
radicals vs conservatives is more to the point imo.
[–]jamesK_3rd 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun - 4 years ago (7 children)
Radicals vs progressives is more appropriate.
The "conservatives" are not conservative in any way. Donald Trump and his base represent and have the values of the 1980's Democrat party. Pro taxes and tariffs, Pro spending, Pro surveillance state, Pro eugenics through abortion, Pro big unions and big corporations...
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[–]go1dfish 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun - 4 years ago (5 children)
That's a better axis, but both parties fall on the Authoritarian side these days.
[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (2 children)
But both parties have anti-authoritarian aspects to them, which is how they ensnare people to then support the authoritarianism both parties ultimately stand for. The anti-authoritarian aspects of each of the 2 parties are shown very publicly, but those aspects are never given much real power, by design. Meanwhile the authoritarian aspects from both parties collude to increase their power. This is why the two party system is not only broken on a political level, but also an ideological level. It just doesn't work!
[–]go1dfish 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (1 child)
Yeah that's a really interesting dynamic, it reminds me of the dynamic that happens with the welfare state and warfare state sharing the same general fund.
The bleeding hearts end up advocating for more money that can be directed to our military and vice versa.
[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 4 years ago (0 children)
Hm yes very good point. And then the anti-tax people can be simultaneously portrayed as anti-welfare, to morally leverage them in to paying for war! So the war-profiteers can eat their cake and have it too, by taking advantage of people's moral desire to improve the world.
[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (0 children)
It's a shame, because it makes it hard to discuss my anti-authoritarian political views without people getting them confused with more authoritarian ones.
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