Another man shot and killed by HPD officer after stealing Taser during traffic stop

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[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes but the US is not 1100x larger... it's around 4-5x larger. Uk is 66M, Germany is 83M, US is 330M. So even per capita it's way out of whack.

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[USA is] around 4-5x larger. [...] So even per capita it's way out of whack.

Thanks, unfortunate reality but good to know. But hey, maybe that means we can learn from Germany and the UK if they've managed to be more successful in this regard, hopefully without also sacrificing anything important in their ability to successfully police?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

But hey, maybe that means we can learn from Germany and the UK if they've managed to be more successful in this regard, hopefully without also sacrificing anything important in their ability to successfully police?

Yes I agree, that's the takeaway here. I think Switzerland is a great model too because guns are extremely common there yet they still have a very low-kill-rate police force. I think in the US the problems are police training is too short and too oriented around avoiding liability rather than de-escalation, non-fatal captures, and community support. There are lots of other problems too, but I think the bad training and lax standards for police is a key problem in the US.

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TIL about Switzerland & good results even with guns, ty.

I think in the US the problems are police training is too short and too oriented around avoiding liability rather than de-escalation, non-fatal captures, and community support.

well that's pretty specific... let's get to fixing it?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

well that's pretty specific... let's get to fixing it?

Agreed! Raising awareness when possible is good, but ultimately a lobbying organization would be needed to change the law and change police training. But if enough people want it, the funding for the lobbying will materialize.

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I'm pretty sure enough people want it... but the world is a bit different now with covid in terms of securing funding and priorities and stuff. I guess I feel we ought if possible to concentrate on that more for the time being, and basic food security and stuff, but let's remember about this when things are more secure again.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes that's probably true, let's hope we have the luxury of being able to wait that long.

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well we don't, police misconduct will probably keep happening in the meantime, but starvation and the virus seem like bigger threats right now, imo.