The fall of Russell Brand is no victory for women

submitted by jet199 from (spiked-online.com)

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

But let’s get real. Going from Girl Power to victim feminism in the space of two decades is no great leap forward for women.

It's nice to finally see a woman brave enough to type that out in public.

Third-wave feminism was based on the idea that women are just as strong and capable and resilient as men. Fourth-wave feminism is based on the idea that women are weak and need protection from men.

How can you take two things that are the opposites of each other and call them both "feminism"?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

Why is saying "that man raped me" called 'victim feminism'

Is there a way to say 'i was attacked by that man' without playing a victim card?

Let's say your sister tells you she has been raped. Can you think through how you'd advise her on next steps to take without turning her into a victim feminist?

It's a pretty dumb take when you think about it

[–]Hematomato 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

Fourth-wave feminism didn't invent the idea that rape is wrong. That's been the consensus for, well, the entirety of human history.

Rather, fourth-wave feminism is about the idea that lots of things are sort of "adjacent" to rape and women are not emotionally strong enough to handle them.

For example, in the '90s, if a man put his hand on a woman's thigh in a bar, that was called a "come-on." Third-wave feminism believed that the woman was then empowered to decide whether to go home with him, throw a drink in his face, do whatever she liked. It was her choice, and she could say yes or no, just like a man could.

Fourth-wave feminism believes that is called "sexual assault," and the woman should name and shame the man, get him banned from the premises, and disgrace him in public, for the sake of other emotionally weak women.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

Okay so let's say a dude rapes a woman today (like brand did)

Now the woman wants justice.

Is there any way she can get justice without invoking victim feminism or her "weak emotions"

It's kind of a stupid claim for you to make really. They're just rape victims being candid about what happened to them. Projections based on your fragile masculinity are entirely happening in your head. Feel free to show evidence how this is linked to your imagination of 'fourth wave' or organised feminism or whatever - because I think that's just happening in your head

[–]Hematomato 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

Okay so let's say a dude rapes a woman today (like brand did)

Allegedly.

Is there any way she can get justice without invoking victim feminism or her "weak emotions"

Sure, she can take the alleged rapist to court and have him tried by a jury of his peers.

But if she instead appears in a documentary, making unchallenged claims right alongside women complaining about clearly non-criminal conduct and consensual sex with Brand that they regretted later, then this is no longer about justice. It's about fetishizing your own victimhood. It's about using weakness as a weapon. It's about crybullying.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

complaining about clearly non-criminal conduct and consensual sex with Brand that they regretted late

One of his rape victims had medical paperwork for the rape treatment center, from the morning after he raped her.

right alongside

Sounds like you have a problem with the editors, then.

You seem to have a lot of problems here and zero of them are related to the fact that a dude in showbiz used his stature to rape women, including a 16 year old child

[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

One of his rape victims had medical paperwork for the rape treatment center, from the morning after he raped her.

You know how you get paperwork from a rape treatment center? You go to a rape treatment center. They give you paperwork. It doesn't prove anything.

All of these are accusations of partner rapes. These are women who had a bunch of sex with Brand that they enjoyed, and then one instance of sex that they didn't enjoy, and now, years later, they're finally making a thing out of it. Possibly because people are coming to them asking if they'd like to be paid some money for being in a documentary.

Partner rape does exist, but the bar is set differently. Anyone with common sense should know that. Like, if a woman walks into a bar and grabs a stranger's dick, that's definitely a sex crime. If a woman walks into her house and grabs her husband's dick, that's probably not a crime at all.

So, yeah. Allegedly. I'd have to hear all the facts, and really only the jury gets to do that.

But in the minds of fourth-wave feminists, an allegation and a conviction are the same exact thing. They think all you should have to do to ruin a man's life is say the word "rape."

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Uh huh so she went to a rape treatment center for fun, got treated for no reason, kept the paperwork as a memento of the fun day she had getting spatula'd and swabbed and splayed.

Sounds unlikely to be honest.

Nobody acting in good faith, thinks that women get rape treatment just for fun.

Edit

No wait sorry

You're saying it's more likely that a random woman went to a rape treatment for no reason

Compared to the likelihood of an admitted sex creep, an admitted sex addict, committing rape

You're saying the first is more likely than the second

That tells me you're completely off your rocker. You fucking lunatic. Look at the lengths you're dragging yourself to, just to avoid acknowledging that the admitted sex addict is probably also a rapist too

[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

"For fun"? No, of course not.

"For leverage"? That's absolutely possible.

Most women aren't so manipulative that they'll go pick up some rape paperwork just for leverage - "now you can't leave me," "give me money," "do what I say or I'll destroy you," etc.

But most women Russell Brand dated - which by all accounts is hundreds - didn't do that. Just one.

Yeah, it's a little suspicious. It's a little suspicious that "Nadia" went and got this paperwork, just sat on it for eleven years, and then brought it out at exactly the moment that media outlets were offering her healthy sums of money for her story.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

That's absolutely possible

Okay but you haven't seen any proof of this

just sat on it for eleven years,

Or that

were offering her healthy sums

Or that

Why are you layering so much of your imagination over a well reported story? Are you so unable to deal with the facts, that you're having to imagine new bells and whistles for this story

[–]jet199[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or, if you read the text message where her main concern is lack of a condom, he stealthed her. She freaked out that he'd given her bad aids or herpes. She goes to the rape treatment centre for that and has to claim rape to access the tests for free because the American healthcare system is fucked.

Compared to the likelihood of an admitted sex creep, an admitted sex addict, committing rape

Again you are doing exactly what the article says, blurring the lines between a guy sleeping around and being a rapist.

Why would you do this if the evidence stood on it's own? It's highly illiberal. It's the sort of thing fundamentalist Christians do.

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you really contending the no woman has ever gone to a rape treatment center for any sexual encounter that could fall short of rape?

Assuming the sensationalized media reports are true, this may have been rape or it may have been a woman who was legitimately angered by Brand ejaculating inside of her without wearing a condom. While that makes him a jerk, it does not make him a rapist.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you really contending the no woman has ever gone to a rape treatment center for any sexual encounter that could fall short of rape

What evidence have you seen that supports the conjecture that this is happening here? Nothing

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You seem to have a lot of problems here and zero of them are related to the fact that you have tried and convicted an individual based solely on a corporate media hit job.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Solely on the facts that his rape victims said he raped them, plus his long history of shitty, addict and creep behavior

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you are proving the article right.

You are like those women phoning the investigation team to complain Brand didn't call them after they had sex as though that is evidence of a crime.

[–]QuantumLegion 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While I agree with most of what you said I have to point out:

16 yrs old is not a child

the age of consent in the UK....is 16 (you may not think its right for the age of consent to be under 18, but that's the law in their country)

calling them a "child" when they were of an age to consent is twisting facts to suit your world view and paint him as a potential pedo, which is false

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

calling them a "child"

Tell me you didn't read the story without telling me you didn't read the story

"The Child" was Brand's pet name for the child he was raping

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't engage with Site_rly_sux - his whole purpose is just to waste people's time with a gish gallop. He always says shit that's obviously stupid but tries to act like he's interested in conversation. He's just a shill trying to waste your time.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a man? I never would have guessed.

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because women