/r/chapotraphouse created their own Reddit clone called Hexbear after they got banned. It's falling apart, half their devs and mods quit last night in disgust. Posters immediately assume a lack of good faith and jump immediately to the worst mindset possible in the person they’re debating with.

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See thread link at the bottom for more comments on the drama.

LiebknechtFour they/them/she/her (this is not a joke)

I’m as guilty as anyone else here when it comes to the occasional sectarian squabble, but this last week has removed any desire on my part to belong to a movement that seems increasingly focussed on self-destruction. I’m here for the liberation of the working class, not this. Bullying has always been a misunderstood tactic in the dirtbag left and it has been made worse by the fact that we have no power, so we turn on one-another. Everyone involved (including, probably, me) has engaged in a lack of charity and care for each other, and in its absence, we are reduced to empty signifiers of identity that serve no purpose but to tear us apart.

If this last week represents the limits of what western leftism can be, then the fascists have already won. If the only unity we accept is unity through repression, whether through the power of “office” or the power of abuse, then we are damned to collapse again and again. If our unity is not based in broad solidarity, we are just another iteration of the western left’s advancement of purity over pragmatism. If we cannot disagree without destroying one another when we have no power to enact any kind of program, then God help the world if we ever get that power. If constructive criticism at a bad time is met with a banhammer and not a “hey, could you repost this on Monday, please?” then the idea that we could ever engage in coherent self-criticism (or the self-forgiveness that needs to come with self-criticism) is, at best, fantastical.

This is bad for me. This is bad for all of us. I’m taking a break. I’ll decide whether I want to come back later. I feel like everyone involved can only make things worse, and I don’t need more reasons to be stressed out and exhausted.

Take care of yourselves and each other. If we can’t do that, then we have nothing else to offer anyone.

First 'good' comment I saw alluding to the drama. From this post.

Jabrd banned for saying that the vegan/non-vegan issue should be treated similarly to other sectarian issues. - https://www.hexbear.net/post/94999

[–]Chipit[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If we cannot disagree without destroying one another when we have no power to enact any kind of program, then God help the world if we ever get that power.

THIS.

This is why I'm frightened to death about these people gaining any real power.

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This is why I'm frightened to death about these people gaining any real power.

yet, you support that exact abuse of power by an admin here, as it is directed at someone you don't like. Self awareness is a wonderful test of humaninty

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/digital-trails-how-fbi-identifying-tracking-rounding-dissidents

It's not really those peons you should worry about, but worry itself is already decades too late. It's all happening no matter what we peons do.