REDDIT FUCKING SUCKS

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So you don't think there's a blind hatefest going on here towards jews?

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Nope. There is some legitimate recognition of the role of Jews in certain past and current events, a couple of rabid haters, and that's about it.

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The holocaust is just another lie.

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You can't make this shit up. You're a comedian whether you know it or not. Holy fuck this is so fucking good i want other people to see this maybe i'll ping u/magnora7

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I'm really not sure you equate rational analysis of the holocaust myth with ' hate'

the most beautiful woman I ever meet, with angelic energy rolling off her, was Jewish.

So, I've just shown that understanding the atrocity propaganda that is ' the holocaust'' Does not preclude positive feelings towards individual jews.

Your argument is false, and I could demonstrate it's absurdity by applying it anywhere.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I mean when it comes to how wide the consensus is that the holocaust happened, it's pretty fucking wide. So wide in fact, that you're basically walking the same line as flat earthers by being a holocaust deniers. And generally where this sentiment comes from or is based in, is extreme suspicion and paranoia regarding jews. You can find jewish girls attractive and still be paranoid as hell towards jews.

So are you a flat earther also?

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

how wide the consensus is that the holocaust happened, it's pretty fucking wide

A widespread belief doesn't define what is "truth". History is bursting with examples of commonly accepted truths ending up being eventually proven false. You will have to use a different methodology to prove your beliefs.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For sure. And i'm generally the type of person who is for questioning stuff and being skeptical. But we were talking about why i would equate holocaust denying with hating the jews. I'm saying there's generally an overlap between that tiny % of the population that is holocaust deniers and hating jews. And also people are usually uninclined to go against such widespread consensus out of fear of being outcast by society so it says a lot about you that you're willing to go against this consensus. Usually what that says is you have a pretty strong grudge against jews.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't really my "department", but I'm familiar with the subject enough to have observed that most people don't dislike/hate for no reason at all. They have arrived at conclusions whether real or imagined. And that arrival has imbued them with a sense of contempt, and moral revulsion. Perhaps as it is with many things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

the consensus amongst who? people who have been told that their entire lives, or people who actually investigate the data.

Because I used to believe.... and then I studied the primary sources.

and no, the earth is a sphere, but good for you, using the #1 bargain basement shitty debating trick

You've also 'moved the goalposts'. First, it was unrelenting hatred towards jews, now its 'paranoid as hell'. If I could be bothered demonstration your latest REEEEEE was false, what would you shift it to then?

I didn't find her attractive, by the way. I found her beautiful. I met her during a very stressful time in my life, and her friendship was a balm on my soul.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

My own grandfather was a jewish Pole who joined the Russian army and liberated a concentration camp and all of his extended family and community were killed in the holocaust. So yeah you're coming across as crazy to me. Must be nice being able to claim it was all fake when you weren't personally affected by it. I guess this is like why people got mad at Alex Jones for the sandy hook thing.

I went to Poland myself when i was 18 and visited 3 concentration camps. I'm afraid to tell you mate but your sources are shit.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They should have stopped using usury.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So your own grandfather was not in a concentration camp, but instead liberated people From concentration camps, where they were not all dead, but rather alive.

Typhus killed a lot of people, as did the allied war crimes, where food was cut off for over a month.

You have serious issues with extremism. You take my words and exaggerate until they are beyond meaning. eg, (this time " claim it was all fake". I never did that. People did die. The SS, in particular, carried out a number of hideous war crimes that invovled murdering large groups of Jews. These are documented in the primary sources. As are census figures by the red cross of jewish populations before and after the war, and as are the ever escalating figures of jews killed by the Reich, which started off at around 200,000 (a legitimate figure) and steadily rose until they reached the 6,000,000 we know today. At one stage, there were more 'holocaust survivors' than jews living in germany pre-war.

Do youn understand propaganda, how it works, or did it just work its insidious magic on you to such an extent that you just get triggered and see the world in black and white (like the nazis you hate so vehemently).

Understanding the humanity in ALL others, no matter their crimes, is essential if you don't want to become an empty vessel, used by others.

When you visited the concentration camps, (something i've also done, and was affected by the horrors I was told occurred there, but then later re-assessed after looking at primary sources). did you ever see 'ovens' that were not bread ovens, connected to huge chimneys? Because the primary sources show that the chimneys (that stand alone, unconnected to anything) were built after soviet 'liberation'. Quite an eye opener.

The 'confessions' of the nazis are also suspect. We are not told, but primary sources reveal that they were obtained under horrific torture. In fact, once you start looking at the primary sources, you realise that OUR side was committing constant and extreme war crimes, and the level of deliberate non combatant murder was beyond excuse. Dresden is a well documented example, but attacks on hospital and civilian ships, allied PoW camps, torture, rape, murder its all there.

The french 'resistance' was vile, committing cleansings against 'collaborators' that then became the post war tales of nazis killing whole villages.

The victor writes history, and ours has been cleansed.

Oh, primary sources also hows that Hitler's infamous 'Final Solution' was actually deportation of Jews to Madagascar, something that was modified when he worked with the Zionists to transport Jews and their possesions to Israel.

But keep spewing hate, based on absloute ignorance.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Occam's razor my friend...

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

occam's razor: If 90% of the stories are lies, then why believe any of them?

primary sources trump imaginary simplifications anytime

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why? For what purpose? Just to make Jews appear as victims so we can have people pity us? You really think that purpose is strong enough to warrant so much effort? (and yes i do think lying and tricking billions of people is a lot of effort)

It doesn't make any sense. The only reason someone would believe the stuff you're saying is because you want to believe it. The purpose doesn't warrant the effort, at all. It's that simple.

As for actual shit that gave rise to the trope of Jewish bankers controlling the world from behind the scenes, it was pretty much just the Rothschilds and it was quite a long time ago. ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WHERE YOU HAPPEN to see Jews in powerful positions it's simply having a certain type of culture just like American Asians have different culture than American blacks and those differences in cultures have huge ramifications towards the prosperity of their groups. (Maybe we're also slightly more intelligent on average than other groups which i guess can make people jealous)

As for the US having such a positive relationship with Israel and giving them help. Politicians do like to appease American Jews who are kinda powerful as i was saying before but it also appeases the evangelicals who are very fond of Jews and they're also a pretty powerful group. Then there's the middle east and the fact that Israel is the country in the area that shares the same values in terms of not being stuck in the past many ways.

Well anyways, i don't rly expect to convince you at all. I get that much. You have fun with your mental gymnastics. I'll have fun with my simpler explanations.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Why? For what purpose?

Is that a serious question? Because there is an answer. It all goes back to the international cabal of bankers...

It doesn't make any sense.

Yes, it does. Some people really believe their holy books, and one holy book grants the 12 tribes ownership of the entire earth, and that's something they mean to make happen

trope of Jewish bankers controlling the world from behind the scenes,

Tropes are themes that are found in many places. Just because they are tired, common and somewhat boring, doesn't mean they are not true.

(Maybe we're also slightly more intelligent on average than other groups which i guess can make people jealous)

Yes, there is a certain type of manipulative, linguistic intelligence that makes Jews good at lying (as you are lying to yourself) and also lends them the psychopathy to see themselves as different to everyone else (as you do) so have no issues with cheating others

Israel is the country in the area that shares the same values in terms of not being stuck in the past many ways.

You understand how weak that line is?

I'll have fun with my simpler explanations.

Keep the lies simple, and keep repeating them. 6,000,000

holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its only the Jews and (((liberals))) who believe that hoax