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[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Sorry; that sounded more coherent in my head. But you do see what I'm saying, don't you?

There's a wealth of good evidence – enough to argue any way if you really want: if you start from a conclusion you'll be able to find all sorts of impressive evidence to back it up, and that won't change the truthiness of the conclusion!

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

No.

Also, you're not informed. It's not truthy. It's fact. Watch the 9/11 videos.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

"Truthiness" is programmer slang for the truth value of something, i.e. whether it is true or false. Sorry! I forget that not all well-informed, interesting-to-talk-to people are hackers. (I should get out more.)

Also, you're not informed. […] It's fact.

I'm not watching the videos, because that'll interfere with my approach. Currently, I've got two assertions, that 9/11 was caused by two different groups; I need to find a way to distinguish between the two. And the way in which I will do that is to come up with several tests, not knowing the answers beforehand, writing them down, then researching them myself. I'll do that when I've got time; I don't at the moment.

But I don't appreciate people forcing a set of views on me. I don't want to be "informed" by anyone but myself, or someone I trust to give me verifiable evidence. So what if I get to the facts later than everybody else? I'll be fairly certain that I'm right, instead of simply believing that I am, and what's more I can demonstrate it to other similarly-thinking people and they can critique my method. Slow and steady and rigorous wins the race. (Though it's a bit trickier if I assume that evidence can be falsified; I'll have to work through a method for that first.)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Oh! I never knew what "truthiness" was!

Of course I know what truthiness is. I watched this first episode back when: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

You should get out more and watch those 9/11 videos. You have no approach because you have no information, context, or understanding of what the rest of us are on board with or at the very least know the elements.

9/11 was NOT 2 groups. It was a whole concert of elements.

Do your research as you like. But I advise to to stop talking about it because you sound foolish and not everyone will have the patience to deal with it. I'm about ready to ignore you on this topic because you won't even look at the common references. I don't care if you believe it or not and I'm not forcing anything on you - but you can't expect to have a discussion about foo if you won't even look at foo.

On this topic no one can be "right" because the government and countless other actors won't release information and are actively covering it up. Many things are known and certain. Many things are up for speculation based on what's known. Many things we know we don't know. And to quote Donald Rumsfeldt, there are unknown unknowns. And he'd like to keep it that way.

Good luck reinventing the 9/11 wheel. While you're at it figure out who killed JFK. I'm done.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

After some introspection, I realise that my proposed approach, was completely and utterly useless. I fell afoul of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which I know can be incredibly irritating. I will defer to your expertise on the matter for at least the next year and a half.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I hardly think you're of "low ability".

I also hardly think you're going to discover some major breakthrough and crack the case two decades later.

You've heard the mainstream media narrative of 9/11 all your life. It's unavoidable. But if you also avoid the alternative views then you have not validated nor refuted what you've been spoon fed. This recontextualization assessment may be applied to everything from the Titanic to the Holocaust to JFK to our current Global War Of Terror.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You've heard the mainstream media narrative of 9/11 all your life.

No, I haven't. I didn't even know it was a thing until I was 7. All I really know is that some people hijacked planes and flew them into the WTC North(?) tower. To be honest, the only reason I care who did it is so it never happens again.

I assume that planes were actually hijacked, because of the effects on international flights. I know that many, many people died, though I'm not sure how. I don't see who did it as being of much consequence.

Incidentally, you might be interested to know that my school had a "who was actually responsible for the sinking of the Titanic" debate at their history club; eventually, the truth will out, whatever it finally ends up being.

(At the risk of stirring a hornet's nest, the Holocaust is the odd one out there: I don't see any entity with enough political power and with an incentive to fake something like that. But it's fine if you don't want to be my private tutor; I'll look it up eventually.)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Who did it doesn't matter as much as who orchestrated it and what they have to gain and what they'll do with those gains. It's all connected. "They" would have you believe it's not all connected because that serves their purposes. As long as people don't understand the full spectrum dominance and open prison state then they can't resist it.

Titanic - look in the comments for my long post - TFH Quick Hits #15: The Tale Of Two Titanics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vndEwp06bjs

I used to believe in Climate Change passionately. It HURT learning how it was a scam. Second to that was learning about the deception with the Holocaust. I still have a gut reaction when folks talk about "the Jews" because I've been programmed. I never wanted to listen to alt-right Nazis talk about anti-Semitic stuff. But then I accidentally listened to these alleged anti-Semites. Most aren't. And most have very logical points to make that seem really fucking obvious once you start looking at them.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Truther_Top_20_Counter_Points_To_The_Official_Holocaust_Story Because I don't like dweling on this crap and because I figured some folks might help out I only filled out half of the "20". Really there could be dozens more. This is a big rabbit hole.

Jews play the victim card non stop, yet control the banks, the media, and politics, and murder in Palestine : https://infogalactic.com/info/Truther_Top_20_Jewish_Self-Victimization_Examples

Most Jews are just brainwashed like everyone, and are "chosen" human shields. Their leaders, like most leaders, are the villains.

You don't get reparations from Germany to 4.7 million Black folks or Native Americans or Russians who lost 20 million in WWII. What makes Jews so special that they get reparations for being in concentration camps, but Japanese Americans don't? It's a HUGE fucking scam. And they'll call me a denier if I'm just a skeptic.

I'm not a scholar on this topic, but a little fearless investigation into the taboo, you'll find with a modicum of logic it all falls apart really fast. I didn't want to be a "denier", but I can't defy logic. Now I just don't give a shit because it's not worth fighting. Call me any name. I know when a narrative collapses.

Because I haven't studied this farther than necessary I don't know many of the famous names, so I can't say if these are good starts or controlled opposition...

The only names I recognize in the US, UK, and Canada (none), are: David Cole (Jewish), James Fetzer, Michael Collins Piper, David Icke. I'm quite sure some are missing.

Above all them I recommend WWII historian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving He has a lot of videos on YouTube.

Why did you revert rather than improve upon my "open source" edit on Wikipedia? It's shit now.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're right about the reparations not being fair; more people should have reparations. But then war and the morally "questionable" behaviour that comes with it starts to get really expensive. For that, I blame certain greedy people only willing to okay such reparations when they give them good press, but like you it's not a topic I've researched well.

And just because lots of people believe something, doesn't make it true. (In fact, belief and truth are (almost) never correlated.) But… yeah. I'm not getting into this right now.

I thought you'd find this funny. Same comic as the last one I (inappropriately) linked you (without thinking it through).

The reason I reverted your Wikipedia edit was for three reasons:

  • I wanted to improve the article, and the content you added looked nothing like a Wikipedia article; it would've been removed anyway as soon as a Wikipedian came across it.
  • By reverting an edit that was (perceived as) making the article worse, people will bat fewer eyelids when I added much of that content back in (written poorly, but more neutrally / Wikipedia-like).
  • I find it easier to edit by selectively adding things than removing them; if I'm removing things then I tend to remove too much (focussing less on the content than on how it's written).

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I like his Breaking Bad Heisenberg hat.

You needed to improve it not revert or delete it. I wrote the very comment that said it needed tonal adjustments - but the fact remains that information is important and valid and needs to be there for clarification - but in a better tone.

Reverting it does not fix anything and loses it to history.

I'm generally better at trimming. I find it easier to see what doesn't belong that imagine what's missing. More importantly, above all, I need time away to forget it and come back with fresh eyes.

Lemme know when you've added it back in.