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[–]wizzwizz4 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

Not so sure about #11:

60,000 Jews were absent from the WTC Towers on 911 after warnings were distributed via text messages, by the Odigo Hebrew language messaging service and from the pulpit of New York synagogues the Friday before, who watched the immolation of their co workers on live television .. that is a good enough reason to hate Jews.

The "source" for this is an old, 0-score Reddit post that cites a Google search as its source. Could we have a real source for this claim, or mark it as [citation needed] like the rest? Otherwise you're putting the credibility of the claim on the line.

Also, cut the last bit ("that is a good enough reason to hate Jews"). At least try to stay neutral, not literally inciting hate. If there's a conspiracy (I'm not saying there is without something remotely resembling decent evidence), I doubt all Jews or even more than 5% would be in on it.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Holy shit. Good catch. I just copy pasted from a list here on Said It a few weeks back. I regret not linking back to source. This is more than embarrassing.

This whole list is not really my thing. I have reasons to post it here though. And I had a reason to copy-paste it - it was an easy list. This should teach me to be so lazy in the future.

Ya, looking at it, 60k seems like too many. They did get a Hebrew text message warning though. That's well documented.

I've cut #11 entirely as I really don't give a crap about this issue, much less want to research it.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Yeah the real number is like 4k. I did see an interesting summary where 100 to 130 Jews were expected to die at WTC, but only 1 did. I didn't take the time to verify it but it was interesting. I think they were guessing at who was Jewish by last names on the victim list.

[–]MartinTimothy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The under 3000 dead line is one of the mainstay falsehoods of the entire conspiracy, estimates of 50,000 dead in New York were made at 2:48 PM on the afternoon of the same day.

NIST Engineer Sunder said "on 911 there were between 8,500 & 9,000 occupants in each building," ABC News Anchor Peter Jennings while the drama was still unfolding said, "the normal total of workers at the WTC Towers was around eighty thousand."

Sunder's total of between seventeen and eighteen thousand in the Towers makes some sixty two thousand or so absent using Peter Jennings' figures.

Evidence of Mossad Treachery at the WTC, by Ed Toner .. "nearly 500 foreign nationals from over 80 different nations were killed in the World Trade Center, as a center of world trade and finance this is not surprising.

It is known many Israelis work in the field of international trade and finance, the laws of probability dictate there should have been a considerable number of Israelis dead.

Alon Pinkas Israel’s Consul General in New York confirmed one Israeli dead in each of the planes that crashed into the towers, and another who had been at the WTC on business.

Lt Richard Smiouskas FDNY, 27 November 2001 .. "after the North Tower air strike an engineer got me onto the roof of WTC 2 the South Tower, I saw people in the windows [of the North Tower] they weren't jumping they were being forced out."

The NYPD refused to attempt helicopter rescues for those trapped in the burning towers, while the official death toll of some under three thousand is to fit the four hundred dead Jews whose names appear on the official list.

Who were the ones who stayed and threw others from windows according to Smiouskas' testimony, who were sold out when NYPD choppers never showed up .. the FDNY identified "about 1500 jumpers."

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

So you're claiming 3000 dead is a lie to make 400 dead Jews make sense? Geeze I've got to look into this more.

Also it's hard to follow your comments

When you quote your own words like this

If that's what's happening.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ummmm, look

Back in 2001 we may not have recognized the absurdity of this aspect of the story, but we sure should see it now.

The 9/11 narrative requires an explanation for thousands of people remaining in the buildings 60-90 minutes after the supposed planes crashed, so they gave us this. The entire story was likely made up to account for the amount of deaths.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for that verfication.

I don't see how this would have to be made up to account for the number of deaths.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just do not believe people were told after running out of a burning building that they need to run back upstairs. I have yet to find eye-witness accounts of who ordered this or if it was even a real order. But yet, the corporate media broadcasted this everywhere. Why?

[–]MartinTimothy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anger of Survivors Told to Stay Inside Blazing Towers .. Workers Fleeing in Panic Were Sent Back Into Inferno. Special Report, Terrorism in the US by Ed Vulliamy, New York, Monday Sept. 17, 2001 01.31 AEST. Link. Mirror.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't buy anything MartinTimothy says/copy-pastes.

He's a shitposter. Look at his overview and go back a few pages... /user/MartinTimothy

I've heard the official death toll is actually inflated. This is pure echoing of stuff, perhaps nonsense I've heard but haven't looked into. The DNA that they got only identified half of the alleged victims, leaving the other half as missing but presumed dead - if they ever even existed. I don't know if I'm just repeating crap I heard or if this is legit.

Some claim they wanted maximum body count for maximum emotional impact. This makes sense, especially with the reports of telling people nothing to flee, etc.

Personally I think they should count all the first responders who died of cancer. That's a significant number.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's a significant number.

Is that data available? If so, I'd like to see it. If not, how do you know?

(Just healthy scepticism; I'm not even bothering to critique MartinTimothy at the moment because I'm tired of that.)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I picked one from Aug. 2017:

Counting the 9/11 cancers

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's World Trade Center Health Program provides medical monitoring and treatment for emergency responders, workers and volunteers who helped in rescue and recovery after the 9/11 attacks.

The program also provides health evaluations and treatment for people who were in the disaster area. Research suggests that some cancers may be tied to exposures from the 9/11 attacks, according to the World Trade Center Health Program.

The CDC said in an emailed statement that as of June 30, 7,139 people enrolled in the program were certified with at least one type of cancer covered by the program.

Among those, 6,028 were responders. The top certified cancers among responders included non-melanoma skin, prostate, melanoma, lymphoma and thyroid.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't trust CNN, but that's high publicity. I'll have to follow that up.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Look at the link above CNN.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

TL;DR: Despite wanting to say bad things about what MartinTimothy is saying, it's written in such a confusing manner that I can't follow a coherent thought to critique.

MartinTimothy says stuff that makes no sense in order to cause some people to draw some conclusions and other people to not be able to critique what he's saying. I'm assuming that "he" is a "he", but honestly I'm not even sure whether there's a human at all behind that username.

I mean, this might be a post by a human, but certainly some of that is copied and pasted from other similarly-behaving accounts' posts. Be wary.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

MartinTimothy = Russian bot.

Disappointing results when you put it in here:

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not necessarily Russian. We mustn't jump to conclusions about such things!

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Russian bot from East Timor?

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Do you consider the Dancing Israelis getting arrested or Mossad living 100 yards away from some of the hijackers in Florida to be something resembling decent evidence of Israeli involvement in 9/11?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


They didn't do it alone, but they were key.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

No. No, I don't. With the wealth of information out there, arbitrary observations can be selected to support any hypothesis.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

How is action and facts discovered by US law enforcement an arbitrary observation? Finding a van with bomb making materials and residue seems pretty relevant to me.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

All it means is that the person wanted to make a bomb. It doesn't mean they blew up the Holby City hospital at 4:37 PM, or whatever. Lots of people want to commit acts of terrorism. Fewer follow through, and fewer of those succeed. That doesn't mean people in the first category are automatically in the last ­– just that you have reason to suspect them (and can arrest them for the former if that's illegal).

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Well law enforcement certainly suspected and arrested both the dancing Israelis and around 200 Israelis posing as art students. Motive, opportunity, evidence...

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Law enforcement suspected and arrested them… for something else. I don't see how that contradicts what I'm saying.

And it is an arbitrary observation. Look, here's an example.

Look, you can cancel fractions by removing duplicate digits, like this:

16   1
-- = --
64    4


19/95, 26/65, 49/98…

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

You sound like MarTim.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Sorry; that sounded more coherent in my head. But you do see what I'm saying, don't you?

There's a wealth of good evidence – enough to argue any way if you really want: if you start from a conclusion you'll be able to find all sorts of impressive evidence to back it up, and that won't change the truthiness of the conclusion!

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)


Also, you're not informed. It's not truthy. It's fact. Watch the 9/11 videos.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dude, you're tech savvy but you don't seem to have much truther knowledge.

Did you even watch any of these? :

The Corbett videos have transcipts on his site you can read if you don't like videos, but the images help. Also YouTube has a less than great auto-transcription.

If you haven't you're not on the same page. You don't have to agree with any of it, but you have to at least know what's being put out there - the good, the bad and the ugly - to discuss it.

Laws don't matter to those above the laws.


[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I continue to insist that I am not interested in politics.

Anyone who says they are not interested in politics is like a drowning man who insists he is not interested in water.

— Mahatma Gandhi

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)