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[–]candiedDagon 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you say your friend has no delusion over biological sex but somehow SHE is "living as a trans man" as opposed to just plain living as a woman. That's a distinction that can only be made if biological sex can be disregarded. This is not coherent. What is really going on here? Does your friend really think of herself as a woman or not? What separates the biological reality from whatever other trans man reality she claims to experience? There's no real sense here. Your friend is in a place where her beliefs are inconsistent. She's placing herself into an imaginary category to cope with her other problems. It is a still a form of delusion.

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    [–]candiedDagon 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You’re missing the main point of my argument which that there is still delusion involved. Nothing about her experience as a woman impersonating a man is actually necessary for preventing suicide. Suicide is something one does to oneself, not something that is enforced by the perceptions of other people. Hence there is still delusion and covering the everything up with woke language doesn’t change that. Mental illness explains why a person might believe they can only prevent themself from killing themself by taking on a false identity, but purposefully taking on a false identity is dishonest and mental illness cannot justify dishonesty, only explain why a person is deluded to act in a such a way.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But do you think that they experience the exact same stuff women experience when they pass as men?

    Do women all have the exact same experiences? I bet I have more common experiences with my brother than with you, but that doesn't make me a man. You don't become a woman through experience, it's the other way around. She's a woman so her experiences are the experiences of a woman.