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[–]Hannibalboy93 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your 100% right about people never even having the idea of transitioning until they were exposed to it, it is a social contagion, some people that have friends that come out as trans and then some of them decide to transition with their friends. It makes me sad too when gay men transition and when lesbians transition, because they are going along with that ideology, like we are loosing them, until they become something unrecognizable, and if you don't go along with it, they will hate you. I wonder if my gay circle, who I am very quiet about lgb politics about invited a "trans gay guy" and how I would react.

[–]WanderingLost[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s just so rapid and it seems, at least in my case, to affect only butch lesbians. I’m located in one of the most gay friendly cities on the west coast and it baffles me how butch lesbians of my generation are rapidly becoming men

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You are not failing your friends by lurking on Ovarit. We are in the middle of a worldwide mass psychosis brought on by the internet and the whole gender thing turned into a cult. You staying sane in this is in no way or form a slight against your friends.

In 5-10 years this thing is going to be over after a lot of medical scandals and lawsuits. So hang on.

If you need an ovarit code i can give you one maybe you can find some friends there.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes I feel this way too (though I honestly don't check radfem spaces, the only thing we align with is being gender critical, skeptical of what's currently happening but I really don't like radfems approach and usually one-dimensional interpretation to it to serve their agenda) but I then realize that I never really had issues with trans people themselves. Before I got deeper into the issue I saw trans people as the old school transsexuals, who go through psychiatric diagnosis, treatment and their dysphoria was there since basically forever... shit changed when I realized these are the minority of today's trans people. My problem isn't being trans meaning a person, who deals with a clearly neurological condition as originally understood. My issue is people, who never thought of themselves being trans, suddenly jumping onto this identity and hurting, confusing themselves. And then also malicious people using this identity to harm others. Well, does it make me a bad person to come from this perspective on my current trans skepticism? I don't think so.

[–]WanderingLost[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the reassurance, and for sending me a code. I would like that. It’s just hard to find lesbian friends who want to stay women. It sounds selfish of me but I’m just feeling lonely and baffled

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I PM'd you a code. I also heard Giggle is a nice social app for women but i'm not on that so i have no clue if its good or not.

[–]Kai_Decadence 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you're going through this, I can't say I can relate in the sense of having all my friends "transition" since I frankly never had many friends to begin with but I can relate in the sense that whenever I come across other feminine gay men, a huge majority of them are either trans-identified or they're "non-binary", pretty much trying to avoid the real term of what they are which are "feminine men" and as a feminine gay man myself, some days I feel like I'm the only one who knows who he is, knows that men can't be women regardless of how they dress, and is just keeping it 100% real even if it is socially difficult.

So in that regard, I totally understand where you're coming from and I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. I highly recommend reading Abigail Shrier's book like Superbi suggested, she makes some great observations that at the very least, can help you know you're not alone if you're even feeling like that. But also because you're in grad school, it really is best you try to keep it to yourself until you graduate, then go wild. In the meantime, if you really need to vent, come here or Ovarit and get it all out.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Everywhere I go I see "she/they" gals when it comes to lesbians or bisexual women (if you're into movies/shows/comics/mangas etc communities or fandoms in general, or even a little bit "artsy" that's practicaly all you'll see), so I feel you. I was lucky enough to have found a couple of people that can listen to my rant online and irl (i tend to not speak about trans stuffs anymore tho), and I am a person they can come to rant when they need it too because they feel safe enough to do so... And I haven't found them by looking for them, strangely enough. We just vibed... So maybe, fuck all that shit and talk with people you vibe with regardless of their sexuality and you'll find out some of them aren't consumed by this trans ideology and even find it shitty/laughable. I know that's hard... But you can do this. And there's online communities too, like this one, where you can find people that relate to you.

[–]Kai_Decadence 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OMFG you are so right about how common these nutters are when it comes to fandoms or media entertainment communities, especially video games and art/animation. These people are EVERYWHERE and it fucking sucks. What used to be a safe haven for us gays and lesbians, especially of the nonconforming variety, they've now turned into these cesspools of gender nonsense.

[–]WanderingLost[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My friend group and I were all pretty vibey from similar interests, it was one of those scenarios where we befriended each other naturally and found out we were all gay later. The dynamics of our frienship haven’t changed at all, I just can’t ignore the feeling that some of the transitioning I see in my friend group and adjacent circles comes from family issues that they recently confided to me about.