DiscussionCurious what you guys think of this LGB Alliance tweet, removed by Twitter.

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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe a controversial opinion here, but I'm a little on the fence about this post. I get the general idea: the + opens the doors wide for literally any group to be defined in the same category as LGB, bringing in demographics whose interests and goals have nothing to do with ours and who shout us down.

I guess my biggest issue is with the messaging. For one, the paraphilias most an issue in the TQ+ movement are autogynephilia (AGP) and also arguably autoandrophilia (AAP). Bestiality is not really at the heart of the gender dysphoria debate, whereas AGP/AAP actually are. Why not mention those instead, at least AGP? For two, the statement is easily misread as "anything not LGB is bestiality," which is not what they literally said but it's an easy mistake to make and one that would inflame resistance from the left, rather than starting a dialogue (which I would hope is the goal of LGB Alliance).

Idk. Happy to hear arguments to the contrary. Thoughts?

[–]fuck_reddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think they mentioned zoophilia cause of that “queer theory” paper. I dont know for sure though.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

While you, and other commenters here, are right in that zoophilia is really the least of our worries, this tweet was clearly in response to (as can be seen right fucking there below the tweet) Allison Bailey's tweet regarding that article about how zoophilia should be included under the queer umbrella. Anyone who looks at the tweet they're responding to, and then reads the LGB Alliance tweet, and comes to the conclusion that the LGB Alliance is coming completely out of nowhere and saying the + is all zoophiles is being deliberate in their misinterpretation.

While AGP and AAP are arguably more of a threat to young gays and lesbians, it would have been completely out of left-field for them to bring that up in response to Allison's tweet. But it's a good point to bring up, and I personally would think that it would be more of an eye-opener for people than talking about AGP/AAP. I'd venture a guess to say that the majority of people don't really know about or think about AGP/AAP, but pretty much everyone knows what bestiality is and is morally opposed to it.

So if we bring up fringe ideas like this one, from an academic journal, saying "bestiality should be considered a queer sexuality," maybe, just maybe, we'll get people to look at that and say, "Okay, wait a second, how did we get to this point where we are saying zoophiles should be validated by society?"

Personally, my biggest issue with that tweet is the replies to it. Everyone is willfully misinterpreting it and then fucking tattling on them to the UK Charity Commission. The LGB Alliance's tweet isn't even inflammatory, is making a commentary on an existing article while linking the tweet that links that article, and isn't even saying anything about trans people whatsoever. Yet, trans people read that LGB Alliance doesn't want to see bestiality be listed under the queer umbrella and they get all up in arms about it. To me, that's pretty telling.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The LGB Alliance could tweet about their official endorsement of pineapple on pizza, and then restaurants and takeaways up and down the nation would be pressured to remove the 'harmful' items from their menus.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone who looks at the tweet they're responding to, and then reads the LGB Alliance tweet, and comes to the conclusion that the LGB Alliance is coming completely out of nowhere and saying the + is all zoophiles is being deliberate in their misinterpretation.

...Aaaaand I did not look at the tweet they responded to, so your statement still stands. :) Fortunately you and several other people cleared up my confusion over the context, so I'm glad I asked about it!

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I agree with pretty much all your points. In regards to the tweet's replies, with people furious and not seeming to realize (or refusing to acknowledge?) the context of the tweet-- sometimes I wonder whether it might be worth my time to make a Twitter just to post/share evidence in the threads like this... I'm not sure how much good it might do, but I wish the sanity I see here made it into even a fraction of the discussions on Twitter that people here reference.