Discussionit's offensive but why do people of a higher socioeconomic class seem to be less "gendered" than poorer people?

submitted by grammaroo from self.LGBDropTheT

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]exponent2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you could simply just say you dont know. a lot of gender is innate and you keep rambling on about social influences by giving us this grand story with a historical perspective that isnt really true. gays and lesbians are gendered differently and their environments dont really affect them the way you say they do. we're discussing deep psychological levels of what people call "gender", not something that comes from cultural instruction.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sociology is the combination of human psychology and social culture. Both aspects can exist unique to themselves, while a blend can also exist and still be real.

You are not the decider and arbitrator of all that is true. If you didn't want discussion and various POVs, why did you even ask?

[–]PosthumousScholar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lot of gender is innate and you keep rambling on about social influences by giving us this grand story with a historical perspective that isn't really true

A lot of gender is innately based on sex but it exists on a spectrum within populations. The enforcement of gender norms, which involves dismissing outliers as aberrant and wrong, isn't natural.

Then refute it. Since you elected to use a general insult, I'll assume you're incapable of doing so.

gays and lesbians are gendered differently and their environments dont really affect them the way you say they do.

In terms of natural inclinations, gays and lesbians have very similar distributions to the heterosexual population with slightly more expression at the opposite ends (male-feminine and female-masculine). That's why you can have butch lesbians, lipstick lesbians, and everything in-between without any contradiction. If anything, you're echoing the TRA mindset that claims gender/sex is constitutive of the other.

Furthermore, we're not talking directly about gays and lesbians. We're talking about gender roles within certain classes.

we're discussing deep psychological levels of what people call "gender", not something that comes from cultural instruction.

Status is one of the most primal drives motivating the individual psyche and it greatly influences how we act in the presence of peers. The existence of this subreddit is the inadvertent byproduct of that.

Ask yourself this: why did the Ts rise to the top of the pile of oppression? Why did they fight to be recognized as such in the first place? Why do they cry foul about prejudice while threatening, demeaning and demanding sex from those who are supposedly their compatriots? Why did this demographic shift engender abandoning and labeling dissidents within the LGB community as TERFs, haters, troublemakers and ignoramuses? And why did previous allies in the public arena - primarily liberal and leftist advocates in the upper-middle and upper classes - fall completely silent, pretending this conflict either didn't exist or was a one-sided account of bigotry?

All these behaviors make sense if you see the major players as attempting to accrue in-group status within social circles where the parameters for what makes one 'good' are nebulous and everchanging.