Discussioncall for opinion: is pornography an LGB issue?

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[–]grammaroo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

it isnt. it can be corrupt but hats just the industry, not porn. It's not like for the past 6000 years, women were oppressed because of porn. im not a marxist but this just reminds me of how they highlight structural issues with power. Im guessing from what i've seen on straight porn, straight men eroticize the master/slave dynamic and so do straight/bi women and get off on it. I doubt it's the porn doing this. theyre just masturbating to their desires but those desires change when structures change. Straight/bi women can be just as homophobic towards straight men and demand they play some sort of master role but when power dynamics change; women become doctors and lawyers and make more money, then those dynamics change as well.

One dangerous "brainwashing" thing for gay kids though is the fem boy craze but again, porn didnt start it. It's gay teens and even preteens who are dealing with a large flood of bisexuals invading their spaces and them validating the most toxic, insecure parts of gay boys. The bisexual males are riddled with internalized homophobia to the point where theyre broken and defeated but desperately want to explore their attraction to the same sex but cant unless the gay boy is highly feminine. The gay boys ARE highly feminine but thats because of how they were brought up (homophobia) and turn into bimbos and obsess over the bisexuals because no gay person would even interact with the strange creatures they've become. so theyre used, exploited, abused and gay males arent allowed to put it out there in their culture to stay away from bisexuals because of the extreme social pressure to marry the opposite sex and these gay boys are so clueless to think the bisexual males have an actual interest in them outside of a kink/fetish. They then end up "learning" through experience and ruin 5 years of their lives doing this and growing up bitter learning it's a fetish. i dont think porn would be the cause of this. and being "anti porn" is just a radical feminist" issue because they have severely misguided beliefs as to what causes misogyny (the gender binary does and they love participating in that as well)

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

honestly I don't agree with a lot of radical feminism, but I always under the impression they viewed pornography as a symptom of misogyny rather than a cause(?). idk it's been a while since I've read any radfem literature. but regardless, that's an interesting point about the femboy thing.

[–]grammaroo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

i browse ovarit and read almost every single comment on every single post. The dynamic is very interesting. They use lesbians as tokens to cry over but they always diminish the homophobia and downvote lesbians everytime they mention that as being the primary issue in some cases. So you can see the tensions there, the invidious comments, subtle homophobia and asking lesbians to "get along". As a gay male, i genuinely thought radical feminism was a lesbian thing but im starting to see that a lot of these lesbians are incredibly delusional and it's watching them figure out their homosexuality is an issue for them, especially if it somehow advances homosexual male rights as well. They try to paint an image of lesbians as super man hating beasts and greatly benefit by making lesbians the face of radical feminism to take all the scapegoating and punishment, then behind the scenes, they downvote, bully and gaslight the lesbians when they speak about homophobia.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Never been on Ovarit, but the radfems I’ve encountered on tumblr can be quite homophobic at times, so that doesn’t surprise me.

[–]grammaroo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i still dont get their homophobia. is it towards lesbians? they love using them as tokens.