Gay MenAGB user goes on a date with a trans man, but learns the hard way that progressiveness has little to do with reality

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[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"Gender" has been used to oppress women and gay people throughout human history. It is in fact a human construct, which shouldn't have existed in the first place. The only reason it came to exist unfortunately is misogyny and homophobia. Men who were attracted to men were seen as a "third gender", neither man nor woman, or somewhere in between, in multiple cultures (they might still be viewed that way in present cultures). Women were seen as inferior beings who were told to play with dolls, wear dresses, stay submissive, etc, and if they refused they would be seen as "not real women", or "not women".

Great, so that's history. Let's make sure to never repeat that.

You're separating man and woman from their sex-based definitions, and reducing them to behaviour, clothes, artificial appearances, and feelings.

Let's begin with the fact, that from my point of view, there is nothing to reduce. I see you tend to glorify these concepts, but to me, sex and sexual orientations are very base and simple – that's why they can't be messed with.

Gender is more complicated and I don't disagree that it can exist free from bonds to sex. Every aspect can be modified.

Realistically speaking, that 0.3% of the population is a bunch of bags of meat controlling a skeleton covered in flesh as well.

And that's exactly what they are!

But you care about one group of bags of meat more than you do about other groups of bags of meat.

Not at all. Trans people want to pass as their desired gender. Lesbians want to be free to date whoever they want, without being told to accept dicks. I recognize both of these claims and fully respect them. Once again, it's not a competition. Please, stop with this "daddy loves me the best".

Either care about the voices of us women (or as you call, bags of meat) that tell you not to reduce womanhood and manhood to artificial appearances, clothes, etc. Or get out of here with your "bag of meat" nonsense.

Oh please, don't pull a hurt feminist card on me now, like some woke leftie "literally shaking" that cries on Twitter. You're just as much a bag of meat as I am.

And no, I won't choose you over trans people, just because you're forcing me to. You and them exist in the same world, so grow up and coexist.

It is an "assholish" move to ask people to lie to themselves and others.

Maybe that's the source of your problem, champ. I don't believe they're lying at all. I think it is possible for someone to be born in body of wrong sex.

So expect backlash when you're asking for such a thing.

I don't care about your backlash. "Reality doesn't care about your feelings" works both ways, champ.

You want to shame and censor people for "misgendering" someone.

Prove me ever wanting that.

But then claim censoring is not the way to go about this. So much contradiction in one sentence. I wonder how you get through the day like this.

There's no contradcition, just you having trouble with reading comprehension and filling blanks with your bold assumptions.

Ah, the hero complex. Please don't bother securing our future, you're not a good role model.

Please, stop playing the gate keeper role. You're nobody, just like I am nobody. But I don't happen to randomly dismiss groups of people, so I will always have better chances to be heard than you, labeled as hateful person.

You're asking people to deny the reality that sex can not change [...] no matter how much effort someone puts into trying to look like one sex, they will never be that sex.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that, champ, and you know it. I expected better, but I see that bad apples are on both sides of spectrum, huh?

there is no such thing as "gender identity"

Of course there is such a thing, it's an abstract concept to begin with, for it to exist I need nothing but my imagination.

The acceptance of LGB has declined, because of the T.

No. The acceptance of LGB declined because of the trans rights activists. You're bold to assume 0.3% of population could be this active on the internet.

If you want to lynch entire minority for something "cis" straights did, I can only feel sorry for your limited mind.

How about you grow up and accept reality for what it is.

I always do, champ... It's my curse.

[–]CuteAsDuck 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Great, so that's history. Let's make sure to never repeat that.

"Gender" is oppressive, so history will repeat itself once you define man and woman based on "gender".

Oh please, don't pull a hurt feminist card on me now, like some woke leftie "literally shaking" that cries on Twitter. You're just as much a bag of meat as I am.

Just because I want women's voices to be heard, it's "feminism" and "feminism is bad uwu". Interesting take.

Maybe that's the source of your problem, champ. I don't believe they're lying at all. I think it is possible for someone to be born in body of wrong sex.

That's not realistically possible. For someone who knows humans are "mere bags of meat", you sound religious. Stop asking people to call a woman a man or a man a woman because you believe that "a woman can be born in a man's body" and "a man can be born in a woman's body". You're shoving your religious nonsense down other people's throat.

I don't care about your backlash. "Reality doesn't care about your feelings" works both ways, champ.

Claiming that a woman can be born in a "man's body" and a man can be born in a "woman's body", or that as long as a woman or a man "passes" as a man or a woman respectively, then they should be treated as a man or a woman, is not realistic, "champ". So "reality doesn't care about feelings" is on my side, not yours, and doesn't go both ways. Your "stance" relies on mere feelings. Which facts don't care about.

No. The acceptance of LGB declined because of the trans rights activists. You're bold to assume 0.3% of population could be this active on the internet.

The trans right activists did not pop out of nowhere. They took the beliefs of the 0.3% of the population and have been vocal about them.

In any case, most people refuse to accept a woman as a man or a man as a woman, which the 0.3% of the population want, hence the decline in acceptance of LGB people.

I always do, champ... It's my curse.

You have not grown up mentally.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just because I want women's voices to be heard, it's "feminism" and "feminism is bad uwu". Interesting take.

That's not what I was even referring to...

You've made it sound like I called "bags of meat" women specifically. Just shows how you like to pull things out of context. And dirty tactics like that show that you have no substance in your views, just hate.

That's not realistically possible.

That's a bold claim. Prove it, please. I can't wait to see your mind penetrating machine.

For someone who knows humans are "mere bags of meat", you sound religious. Stop asking people to call a woman a man or a man a woman because you believe that "a woman can be born in a man's body" and "a man can be born in a woman's body". You're shoving your religious nonsense down other people's throat.

... Uhhh... yeah, that certainly serves as proof that you shouldn't make assumptions about people. You're pretty bad at it.

Claiming that a woman can be born in a "man's body" and a man can be born in a "woman's body", or that as long as a woman or a man "passes" as a man or a woman respectively, then they should be treated as a man or a woman, is not realistic, "champ".

It absolutely is, given they have a good reason (and they do), champ.

So "reality doesn't care about feelings" is on my side, not yours, and doesn't go both ways. Your "stance" relies on mere feelings. Which facts don't care about.

I assure you that reality is complicated enough to not be on side of either of us. According to Plato, we can only try to reach the truth, but it will never be given to us.

The trans right activists did not pop out of nowhere. They took the beliefs of the 0.3% of the population and have been vocal about them.

Well, that's just a blatant lie. TRAs don't give a shit about trans issues or their views. They use them as fuel for their own political gains. That's why they're busy "solving" non-existing problems like acceptance for tree pronounces.

You have not grown up mentally.

Uh oh, argumentum ad personam, so edgy.

I'm tired of this mindless discussion. How about you proceed to laughing at trans people, while I tend to more interesting things.

[–]CuteAsDuck 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Sigh, https://imgur.com/vND88UE