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[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think you'll find that's a pretty 1950s-throwback, stereotypical view of "what women want," which is not a set, definable thing, as I think should be readily apparent. People are different and complex. I'm a little bit surprised that this is how narrow your view of women is in this day and age, but maybe hanging out here, where there is considerable diversity, will help expand your understanding a bit. (Welcome—I don't know if you've been lurking before now, but your account is one day old so I'm assuming you aren't super familiar with all of the shared contexts of what gets talked about here yet. What you're essentially saying, as I interpret it, is that you assume that there's only one way for women to be, and the thing is, on this sub, we acknowledge that one can be "gender non-conforming" (and not trapped inside silly old stereotypes) without declaring one is another gender—without declaring any gender identity at all—without dysphoria, without denying one's biological sex, and without wanting to alter one's body. This means we have to accept that people are as they are without any of those additives. This means we have to have a much broader view than the one above. Otherwise this much more closely matches a TRA stance on women: They are the ones trying to drag us all back to a past in which this sort of assumption was also an enforced expectation. (Else you're trans.)

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

on this sub, we acknowledge that one can be "gender non-conforming" (and not trapped inside silly old stereotypes) without declaring one is another gender—without declaring any gender identity at all—without dysphoria, without denying one's biological sex, and without wanting to alter one's body.

We really need this in the sidebar, because it's such a basic tenant here.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welp, for the record, for the mod team: I don't mind if the verbiage is borrowed for that sort of use here. Probably needs a bit of modification. But I agree, it'd be a helpful bit of context to include.

[–]simpliyoot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

my superficial understanding of women isnt through men's rights activists but the rage heterosexual men feel towards the women and the incel culture. That theyre not "good enough" for women because theyre basically not 7 foot tall titans with 40 pack abs and a wealthy dominant businessman. When i hear "weak men, not strong, not "manly", it sort of becomes synonymous with effeminate gay men in my head so this fetishization of feminine gay men seems "off" to me but again, my only encounter with female sexuality is straight men ranting about women, which i will admit is basically like listening to a neo nazi talk share his opinion on jews.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that explains it though, thank you. Way too much cultural brainwashing on both sides and people play that out and it doesn't work and it's unhealthy. And of course, some of that is people bringing their own stuff into their relationships, but some of the stuff is typically also a symptom of what's amiss in a larger sense. I'm sure we could wander off into a contemplation of how "toxic masculinity" came into being but I'm way too sleepy for that. Thank you for the candid response, though.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now it makes sense