ColonizationWhy we're not allowed to have a group for gay men

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 50 insightful - 3 fun50 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Why do they always bring up treating them like humans? Not one person in the history of the universe has said they weren't humans and not one gay bar or lesbian space in the history of humanity has denied them basic human rights. We're saying that they aren't who they're masquerading as. Transbians are rejected from lesbians spaces because they aren't lesbians. They're treated no differently than any other man. Gay bars don't treat transmen as subhuman, they treat them as the women they are.

None of us are calling for a culling like they are or saying that their identity steals their humanity. We're only telling them to fuck off out of the spaces we've created for ourselves. Correct: my comfort isn't supplanting anyone's humanity, but it does erradicate the pathetic idea that a woman is somehow a man because she calls her vagina a front hole or gets unnecessary breast remvoal. She's still a human, but a really fucking stupid one who is actively overstepping her bounds by demanding to be treated as a valid sexual partner by gay men.

The projection is so real with these people, they truly believe that our rights should end where their feelings begin and act like we're the ones responsible the instant we point out that discrepancy. It's not their feelings overstepping into our rights, it's somehow our right to say no overstepping into their right to demand sex.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Why do they always bring up treating them like humans?

Because they're avenging something they feel hurt about in their own lives and you're the target du jour, the appropriated stage upon which they play out their internal battles in the world. They are VICTIMS, goddamnit, and you must stop questioning this.

That's kinda it.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But they can correctly bring up the fact that we don't see them as their preferred gender. Why do they pretend we commit war crimes when all we're doing is understanding basic biology? They can be victims by being misgendered, but there is no way to spin reality to make it seem as though their human rights are being taken away

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because they have Cluster B personality disorder features. Logic has nothing to do with it. Only finding big sticks to hit people with who tell them "no."

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cluster B personality disorder

To expand on this, people with Cluster B personality disorders experience challenges to their self-image as literal violence. That's what it feels like to them. To them it's like someone is actually trying to kill them. Their need to protect their fragile self-image is so strong that they feel the need for constant vigilance and feel like attacking anyone who even seems to be challenging that self-image is fully justified due to the terror it induces in them.

Typical people don't need validation all the time to feel secure in themselves. Cluster B types do.

It seems crazy to us, but to them, it's all extremely real.

It's like the narcissistic man who kills his girlfriend rather than let her leave him because the idea that she could go and live a life without him is so shattering to his self-image.