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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 50 insightful - 3 fun50 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Why do they always bring up treating them like humans? Not one person in the history of the universe has said they weren't humans and not one gay bar or lesbian space in the history of humanity has denied them basic human rights. We're saying that they aren't who they're masquerading as. Transbians are rejected from lesbians spaces because they aren't lesbians. They're treated no differently than any other man. Gay bars don't treat transmen as subhuman, they treat them as the women they are.

None of us are calling for a culling like they are or saying that their identity steals their humanity. We're only telling them to fuck off out of the spaces we've created for ourselves. Correct: my comfort isn't supplanting anyone's humanity, but it does erradicate the pathetic idea that a woman is somehow a man because she calls her vagina a front hole or gets unnecessary breast remvoal. She's still a human, but a really fucking stupid one who is actively overstepping her bounds by demanding to be treated as a valid sexual partner by gay men.

The projection is so real with these people, they truly believe that our rights should end where their feelings begin and act like we're the ones responsible the instant we point out that discrepancy. It's not their feelings overstepping into our rights, it's somehow our right to say no overstepping into their right to demand sex.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Why do they always bring up treating them like humans?

Because they're avenging something they feel hurt about in their own lives and you're the target du jour, the appropriated stage upon which they play out their internal battles in the world. They are VICTIMS, goddamnit, and you must stop questioning this.

That's kinda it.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But they can correctly bring up the fact that we don't see them as their preferred gender. Why do they pretend we commit war crimes when all we're doing is understanding basic biology? They can be victims by being misgendered, but there is no way to spin reality to make it seem as though their human rights are being taken away

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because they have Cluster B personality disorder features. Logic has nothing to do with it. Only finding big sticks to hit people with who tell them "no."

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cluster B personality disorder

To expand on this, people with Cluster B personality disorders experience challenges to their self-image as literal violence. That's what it feels like to them. To them it's like someone is actually trying to kill them. Their need to protect their fragile self-image is so strong that they feel the need for constant vigilance and feel like attacking anyone who even seems to be challenging that self-image is fully justified due to the terror it induces in them.

Typical people don't need validation all the time to feel secure in themselves. Cluster B types do.

It seems crazy to us, but to them, it's all extremely real.

It's like the narcissistic man who kills his girlfriend rather than let her leave him because the idea that she could go and live a life without him is so shattering to his self-image.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 22 insightful - 11 fun22 insightful - 10 fun23 insightful - 11 fun -  (4 children)

Left behind please.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 21 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 6 fun22 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

This is really sounding like the Woque version of the Rapture:

Do any of you realize that God and us "others" are no longer giving you a choice. The Lord WILL be SEEN and HEARD. Your comfort does not supplant his will. Christ is here, you will accept him and evolve, or you can be left behind. There's a clear choice, we've made it. Catch up please.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yet another example that trans homophobia and religious homophobia are one in the same.

[–]ukrdude10 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Same here. I am very honoured to be left out from alphabet spaces.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’d happily be left behind as well.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Tfw denying that a person who isn't a gay man is a gay man is the same as denying their humanity.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

A tendency towards histrionics and hyperbole seems to come with the membership card for this group.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We are here, you will accept it and evolve, or you can be left behind.

Well, that won't work, Mommy Dearest.

This just sounds like roid rage. Apparently this needs more research (or we just need to go back to actually screening people before they start changing their bodies irreversibly), but this little overview does suggest women might get a little ragey on testosterone. And we're talking about women who already need some type of help psychologically that they aren't getting (or are rejecting).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018506X20302385#!

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, this was a male who identifies as "trans femme," whatever that is.

However, to your point, yes, a FTM I knew in grad school who'd just started taking testosterone said to me, "I've felt like punching a wall all day. Is this what being a man feels like all the time?"

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, I misread. It's been a long weekend already.

I knew an attempted FTM who stopped taking T because she didn't like the person she was becoming. No clue what she's up to now or if she fully detransitioned. Hadn't had any surgeries yet at the time.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I choose left behind.

Go create your dysfunctional little dream world gender utopia. I'll stay here with the evil bigoted world of biology and scientific reality. Honor my sacrifice.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Are you the only disappointed person in that group? Anyone complain yet?

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, once the TQ+ had attained a critical mass of moderator positions (sound familiar?), they implemented a rule that anyone who argues that the group should still be only for gay men will be instantly banned.

They can't start their own group. They have to have ours. What kind of basis for community is that?

Many older members have simply disappeared, which I guess is what they want.

[–]ukrdude10 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

The men on here have zero issues with being excluded from women's spaces like Ovarit, because we respect their rights to form their own communites.

Meanwhile these T-tards can't sleep peacefully without having invaded and forced their rainbow hands, dicks and vaginas into every hole of the internet.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then when you start a new group that includes only the people you intend it for, they get it banned. Deranged entitled cunts.

[–]Uranian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're not interested in "community", they're solely interested in getting their own way.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're not interested in "community"

No, but they do want an audience.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would have left such a group as well. Then started my own group. Exclusive group.

[–]fuck_reddit 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They demand to be “treated like humans” while kicking us like dogs...

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We saw and heard them and they were judged unworthy.

We made a clear choice that they can fuck off.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Behold!: the woke stalkers!

Isn't that what they sound like, though? "How DARE you say 'go away, I'm not interested'? WE'RE interested in-- well, more like obsessed with-- YOU, and that's all that matters! We WILL be part of your life, whether you like it or not! We're HERE and we will be HEARD, despite that restraining order and changing your phone number ten times! Your comfort does not supplant my overweening sense of entitlement! Imma follow you everywhere and pretend we're married and demand to be the center of your universe! To paraphrase Alex Forrest in Fatal Attraction: we WILL not be IGNORED!!!"

So when does the bunny-boiling start?

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your comfort does not supplant my humanity

Coming from the group that prioritises (and wants everyone else to prioritise) trans people's own comfort and validation over everyone else's rights and safety.

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Are you not familiar with colonization? This is exactly what (some 🙄) Europeans did across the world. They took over South Africa and made black people a marginalized majority in their own fucking country. Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia are all connected to colonization.

[–]Preachy_Jerk 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait, does South Africa belong to the Khoisan people, or the Bantu who displaced them with superior technology and colonized the region?

When are you leaving the stolen Indian land, by the way?

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So glad this forum exists. What's to stop it being purged though when the next gang of angry TRA's infiltrate here?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, for as long as we aren't banned, all the TRAs can be banned from here one by one and the sub can be locked down should a brigade ever happen.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well we could ban TRAs from coming on here. We have to exclude dangerous people in order to survive.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They say we’re not allowed. The government in some countries say we’re not allowed. The soulless corporations say we’re not allowed. The corporate media say we’re not allowed. The sheep say we’re not allowed. But you know what? Fuck the lot of them. We should just be brave and form our own groups anyway. And stand up for ourselves. Even if it means we have to fight. Even if we have to break laws.

[–]Uranian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm happy to be left behind, thanks.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"or you can be left behind. "

then we will finally be without you

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