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[–]our_team_is_winning 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Looking it up now. Confused if overpopulation and crowded conditions were the main problems? Because we don't necessarily see this in the most crowded cities in India or China. I'm not sure how the population density compares in Tokyo or Mexico City. I suppose you could claim we've seen this in NYC! Depending on the culture and the opportunities for women, I'd say many overcrowded places still have a high birthrate and the mothers are caring for their kids, not hiding away and leaving the kids to die of neglect. I'm thinking of the Palestinian territories for example. They're crowded and impoverished, but still have a high birthrate and try their best to cae for the kids.

But we have reached dystopia, for sure.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It wasn't exactly an overcrowding problem, because apparently the enclosure was meant to hold up to 3,000 mice. If you read this write-up about the study, it goes into the researcher's theories about what happened quite a bit.

https://www.victorpest.com/articles/what-humans-can-learn-from-calhouns-rodent-utopia

I really go back and forth on my own opinion about what the problem was. Was life too easy for them? Food and water is free and readily available, so is shelter. Did that do something to change them? Was it really the overcrowding? Was it the fact that their universe had a limit and they could not escape (this would drive me nuts for sure.) Did a giant man stepping in and out of their little city freak them out?

But the parallels between the "beautiful ones" (the ones that are hiding at home doing nothing) the females that refuse to have kids (I identify with this group) the males that hoard the nice living spaces (reminds me of the wealthy 1%) and the males that are just taking up space (reminds me of incels, neckbeards, fuckboys, and what Female Dating Strategy calls LVMs Low Value Men) it just makes me go ... huh... Am I just seeing the parts I want to see, or is there something here?

But, to add to your examples, Also the Syrian refugees. Many host countries are complaining that there is a population boom in the camps. They report that the women are trying to have as many kids as possible on purpose, one after the other. In some countries there are more child refugees than adult refugees because of this. They too get free food/water/shelter, and in many countries, cannot leave the refugee area. But their lifestyle is completely opposite results to the rats. (It's really creepy comparing refugees to rats, I'm sorry.)

And then there's (was) Kowloon Walled City, teeny tiny space, and people thrived. They could come and go as they pleased, and they had to earn a living, but they thrived. Japan, however, I'm reading about how less and less people are having sex at all, let alone kids, there are a lot of shut-ins (I forget the Japanese word for this, but there is a special word), NEETs, the birth rate is very low. People were blaming that on anime and porn. I have no clue what the real story is.

Interesting stuff to think about. I think the main problem is we don't have the complete set of info to come to a solid conclusion.