Trans rights activists pretend that the only people who oppose their views are radfems.

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[–][deleted] 43 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 0 fun44 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I said it before, and I say it again. TERF means absolutely nothing. TERF doesn't actually mean radfem. It just means that you believe that sex is part of biology and people experience sexual attraction based on sex.

[–]mvmlego 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

Eh, I think "TERF" means something; it's just regularly misapplied, as many words are these days: "bigot", "transphobic", "racist", "terrorist", etc.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What the hell does "trans exclusionary" even mean though? What are trans people being excluded from? And why are they entitled to be included in whatever it is?

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

The "trans-exclusionary" in TERF means that the group of people who the radical feminists are advocating on behalf of do not include the (so-called) women who are transgender.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's only specifically exclusionary of transgender identified males then, not transgender people in general. So I don't see how "trans exclusionary" even makes sense. And why are transgender males entitled to be included in a movement advocating for females anyway?

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

That's only specifically exclusionary of transgender identified males then, not transgender people in general.

It's the primary kind of transgender person that feminists are concerned with, though. Understandably, they're more concerned about whether a small group of non-women gets included with women, which is potentially harmful to all women, than whether a small group of women gets excluded from women, who brought that exclusion upon themselves by identifying as men.

And why are transgender males entitled to be included in a movement advocating for females anyway?

They're not, but the reason that some people appear to disagree with you on that point is that they disagree that the people in question are men.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed, transmen (females) are not excluded from it, so it is not trans exclusionary. Saying it is trans exclusionary means that person saying it is only cares about transwomen (males), so it is sort of misogyny.

[–]GDC 11 insightful - 8 fun11 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

You will be silenced by the mtfs, you Alt-right Terf nazi!!!!

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Maybe, but since English has no authority, words and their definitions are determined by how we use them. If "TERF" is more often used as a slur agaisnt lesbians than anything else, then that's the definition. This is why gender has the woke definition in the dictionary, "literally" is defined as meaning the exact opposite of what it actaully should mean, and "irregardless" is being added to the dictionary because people can't say "regardless."

Language is ever changing, so we also have to be or else we'll use words that have been hijacked and altered for nafarious purposes

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

The examples that you cite seem to refute your own account of meaning. If a word's meaning is based solely on the way that it's used, then it's a contradiction to say that a word has been defined as the opposite of what it should mean. EDIT: By your account of meaning, the word "literally" has no proper definition; it's definition is merely whatever the word most-often intended to mean.

Regardless, I'm not naive-enough to believe that the ways that speakers intend their words to be interpreted is completely irrelevant. If a word has been hopelessly co-opted, then I'll stop using it, but I'm not convinced that TERF is one of those. I've heard some feminists actually describe themselves as "TERF", for example.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, if a word changes from being used to mean one thing to meaning the opposite, that's one thing, but when a word has simutaneous antonym definitions, that's another thing. Literally didn't change from meaning literally to meaning metaphorically, it adopted the second definition, so now when someone sees the word, the entire sentence's meaning may be up for debate.

"John literally died!" usually means that John is laughing at the moment, but if this message was sent after John was stabbed, then the sender's intent has been completely lost due to the adding of the second definition.

I haven't seen enough examples of TERF's use in recent years to make a decision on whether it still means one thing or another, but I do know that I do my best to avoid words such as literally because it is more often used to mean the exact opposite of what I would be using it for in my speech.

[–]jjdub7TERF (Trans Exterminating Reactionary Fascist) 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"TERF" practically means Trans-Exterminating Reactionary Fascist these days, haven't you heard?

/s

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They use different meanings for the R and F now, they have been for a few years. Anything to make sure people don't see how they're slinging slurs.

"Reactionary" and "Fascist" are two of the multiple newer meanings for R and F.

[–]jjdub7TERF (Trans Exterminating Reactionary Fascist) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hahaha I literally made that up to be facetious, but only because I don't even doubt several TRAs have begun making such hyperbole already for some time

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hate to recommend it, but if you check out r/GenderCynical, you will see the way they remake language and have been for years.

In case you didn't know, they also use FART in place of TERF.

Because they're children (or have the mental capability of toddlers) and think "fart" and/or poop jokes are a real insult. They claim it means "feminist-appropriating radical transphobe", but they literally just made it up to be annoying.