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[–]Nohope 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

All I get from this post and the comments is not even gay people accept themselves, and even when they think they do they still harbor some resentment towards being different from straight people and are jealous of straight people which means they are not fully accepting of their attraction. That's sad.

Are all the people in the LGBDropTheT circle like this? I thought the circle dropped the T because the T is homophobic, but here I see gay people being homophobic towards themselves, even if it's not towards other gay people. I saw the same thing in the LGBDropTheT on reddit that is not there anymore. I don't think one can criticize the T for being homophobic, when they are homophobic themselves.

I don't agree with the T and agree with dropping it. I just don't think I belong to this circle if the people in it have internalized homophobia.

I don't want to upset you OP and the others, I just am surprised to see posts like yours and comments like this. I can not relate to you and others. I am proud and never felt ashamed of being a lesbian, and not being able to understand girls that "like" boys, or boys that "like" girls. I don't wish to understand them, and see no point in it. I am me, they are them. I put the time you put on being upset over not being able to understand straight girls and straight boys, on trying to understand myself, "what makes me happy today", "what should I do to overcome the boredom now", etc.

I never thought of being different as a bad thing either, but a good thing. Being like the others is boring, and I can't stand it. Imagine a salad that is all just lettuce, and nothing else. That's like what you want, when you want to be like the others, everyone being straight. But I don't understand you. There should be some diversity in the salad. There should be other ingredients to give it color, such as tomatoes, cabbage, bell peppers, etc. There should be something else or it's boring and I can't even look at it.

And the other ingredients are the gay people, exactly what we need to give everything color, and make things not boring.

But yeah, if you want to continue feeling the way you do, then no matter what I say I won't be able to help you.

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    [–]Nohope 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

    I did not grow up in a supportive environment at all. I am in a muslim country, and in every muslim country saying one is gay out loud can not only send them to prison but also give them at least 100 lashes. Copy-pasting what I said to the OP here: Please stop acting like just because you were told in a catholic household that being gay is a "sin", and you could be thrown out of your house, you get to act like that's the toughest thing you could have gone through.

    I believe that is a moral failing. Self-hatred is all you can teach the young gay people, so you are not qualified to give any advice to gay youth as their elder and be their role model. A role model doesn't get to teach the pupils to hate who they are.

    Instead of teaching them to wallow in self-hatred, the gay youth should be taught that when faced with discrimination and this heteronormative society, both of which are challenges that seem like a brick wall that is too ridiculously high to climb over, they should hold their heads up high and start climbing that wall one little step at a time.

    And the best way to teach the younger gay people such valuable lessons, which are to love themselves and not want to change themselves for the homophobes, is to put these words to practice ourselves, to climb our own walls with confidence and not give up, until we reach the other side. I believe I did reach the other side of my wall years ago. My wall was even higher than yours. You can do it too if you try hard enough.

    And when younger gay people ask for my story, and how I am proud of being gay having conquered the challenges the homophobes threw at me, the sparkle in their eyes, and their hopeful stares give me hope, it makes me happy to see them happy and proud of themselves.

    Being proud of ourselves for being gay, for being what the homophobes don't like us to be, makes the homophobes explode in anger. It's sweet, and they give up because they know we stand strong and will never give them what they want. They want us to be upset, to be ashamed of ourselves, to hate ourselves for being gay, and giving them the opposite of what they want will make them retreat and surrender as they know they've lost the game. Don't bow down to the homophobes and the heteronormative society they created. Don't give them what they want. Don't let them win.

    If you still so desperately want to hate yourself, and be jealous of straight people, then by all means. Stay miserable.

    But don't assume things about me. And just because you went through something, you don't get to act high and mighty and look down on others, even if they did not go through the same difficult things you did.