Why I think men (gay & heterosexual) avoid the important task of standing with women against TRAs

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[–]just_lesbian_things 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

go to certain forums to voice support

Why? I rather you didn't. It's annoying and disruptive to be on those forums and constantly see "I'm a MAN and I'm on YOUR SIDE!!"/"I have a DICK and I AGREE WITH YOU!!" posts from men with nothing else to add. Most of it comes across as compliment hunting and preaching to the choir because a bunch of women will undoubtedly show up and congratulate the man.

If it matters to you, stay on your current forum and voice support. We've seen that men take less heat in general than women do for the same opinion. You should reach out to the het men who don't know and help them help themselves, because you're certainly not telling the women on these forums anything they don't already know.

Again, I get it, but when you see stories of men standing up to transwomen in particular & the comments are "Good, let them rape each other." Or "Men are so stupid, they'll bang anything, I'm surprised they can tell the difference."

I haven't said the former, but I've said the latter in the context of male trans people claiming that straight men love them and would definitely have sex with them. I'm not a straight man, nor do I have sex with straight men, so I have less authority on this matter and I would defer to the male trans person who has presumably at least fucked a man. My conclusion would be that "straight men fuck men becauss they can't tell it's a man", as that is the most reasonable explanation for a demographic that claims to only be attracted to women while also fucking men. If you don't think that's an accurate conclusion, feel free to contest next time the male trans person shows up claiming to have fucked lots of straight men. Lesbians dispute these claims (any woman who knowingly and consensually fucks a man is bi or het) you should too.

[–]pacmanla[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sorry if men are going to those forums to do that. I'm not "compliment hunting", but just want to add that I agree that this nonsense needs to stop. I don't know about women congratulating the man, but could it be that most men (particularly heterosexual) don't know about this issue & the women are just grateful that their realizing this matter? Don't know, just asking. Thanks for the feedback.

[–]SeahorseLTHarold, they're lesbians! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, but they point is that you shouldn't be grateful all the time just because someone is acting according to their integrity, ideals and logic. A sense of relief like, "oh, at least this man is supporting us! Wow!" is actually just another symptom of it all.

I'm grateful especially to those people that are putting their face, name and often career out there to help shine a light on this. So yeah, I might not agree with all of them, but I am grateful that a JKR, a Abigail Shrier, a Gad Saad or a Graham Lineha, is speaking up. Because they have been dealing with the consequences of their actions in a way that would make most of us back off. But discussion in a forum, where a man say, "I think this is going too far, too" - well, good for you, buddy, and welcome aboard, but it's nothing to write home about, you know?

[–]pacmanla[S] 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agree, & it's not about me as a man thinking it's something to write home about when a man do support the cause against this issue. I was just giving my opinion & answering certain posts about why more men don't support the fight against TRAs against women. I've seen posts asking about this on here & other sites about this issue. Again, thanks for the insight.