I am scared what is going to happen to America now that the Democrats have won.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this discussion. This has been on my mind a lot over the past few days.

People on this sub often seem confident that the trans movement is close to burning itself out, and well...

I don't know about that. What I think people here are aware of, is that we're at the beginning of the end-- a years-long stretch and inevitable fight that's going to take some time. But the fact that some countries are starting to alter their trans-happy stances is a good sign.

if America stayed with a Republican government, as shitty as that would be, maybe it would. But now I think that it will be reignited and the trans/LGBT+ movement will be given fuel to do more damage.

It's possible, but personally I think that route would have just prolonged the inevitable. Having a Republican administration gives trans rights activists more of an excuse to pretend to be martyrs (claiming parallel to the gay rights movement).

I agree with most of what you said, except for part of this:

Sorry but I don't think groups like "LGB alliance" (who sit on their asses wanking to Stonewall and don't give a fuck about people in need) and radical feminism (angry extremists) are going to cut it. If LGBT+ stuff really gets worse, both in America and the rest of the world, then niche groups will not help, it needs to be a non-group affiliated effort from as many people as possible.

Having a non-affiliated mass group of people who are aware of the dangers of gender ideology and are against transing children, etc., sounds lovely. But where are we going to find these people? I try to convert a few people I know personally, and while that's always heartening to see, we just don't have a sizeable enough amount of people on board yet for the message to spread organically like that. While there are definitely flaws in the groups you described, there's a reason many successful movements throughout history were led by organized groups-- it helps to have a rallying point. At least until we can get enough people aware that the views are mainstream.

Great post overall, though. And yes Biden is pretty centrist, lol. But, that itself is a telling point: he's centrist and he's had an extensive history of appeasing corporate interests and wealthy oligarchs. The medicalization of trans people is lucrative, and I wouldn't be surprised if he will be a staunch trans ally not because he's progressive/liberal/cares at all but because he's bought by the machine. Might not make a difference, it's still an uphill battle either way-- but interesting information.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Are we, though? I mean I used to think that too, but now I don't think so. Yes some people are speaking up, but unfortunately it tends to be people who are generally batshit, aggressive and toxic, regardless, and those of us who aren't tend to keep our mouths shut lest we get shunned and blocked from everything. I still think too many people are blindly "tolerant" of trans/LGBT+ right now and it's still allowing to continue. Although some good things occasionally happen, like the BBC in the UK apparently dropping Mermaids from their website (?) or something like that. But the mere fact Mermaids not only hasn't been shut down for child abuse, but that it's still considered a charity, is insanely depressing.

Well, that's kind of my point, though, you're not supposed to "rally" people as much as just spread the truth & promote fact checking and pro-science beliefs (Which doesn't just relate to the trans issue, it relates to EVERYTHING right about now. So many people blindly believe easily disproven fact just because they're gullible.)

We shouldn't be trying to convert or rally people because that's the same as organizing a group, and like I said, that's just going to get people who oppose it branded as a "hate group." Plus look at what these "groups" of the past have done:

  • LGB alliance have sat on their ass, begged for donations, and acted high and mighty without doing anything. Similar groups do the same, preaching about how THEY'RE not like the icky trans because they're gay and gay is COOL and RATIONAL but they don't do anything beyond pat themselves on the back. (Even though the gay and lesbian communities have a lot to answer for, in my opinion)

  • Radical feminists are extremists who hate way more things than just gender identity

  • Right wing LGBT get shunned for being right wing before they even have a chance to say anything, anything they say gets deflected with "but you're right wing/extremist christian/racist/sexist etc"

From what I see, attempting to unite under a group just doesn't work. It creates a toxic echo chamber, it doesn't become productive, it just becomes a circlejerk of "We're better than X because we're Y" and nothing gets done.