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[–]Shadow_Lurker 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The notion of gender as a social contruct has it's roots in radical feminist theory, which takes biological sex and gender for separate things. In easy terms, in the context of radical feminist theory, sex is descriptive and gender is prescriptive, with the second being built around the first.

In this context, the historical notion that women must (a limiting prescription) be stay at home mothers and not have much of a say in political matters exists because of the fact that they are the ones that can have babies, a valuable resource that every society developed ways to control via the introduction of different social norms.

In the TRA/Queer Theory interpretation of this principle though, gender is personal form of expression with no material basis that exists only by language. In their perspective, in the moment someone names a gender, that makes the gender in question exist. If I go around saying I'm stargender or some shit like that, this brings stargender into existence.

Once you go around and actually take the time to read the philosophical basis that fundaments the "gender is a social construct" argument it can guide you to a bunch of contrasting, and totally different thinkers and movements.

[–]BiHorror 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The notion of gender as a social contruct has it's roots in radical feminist theory, which takes biological sex and gender for separate things

Appropriated from John Money who appropriated from the English language.

For TRAs, from what I seen, it looks like they use "gender" as the shorter way of saying "gender identity." I've seen some define it as the original/euphemism for sex, the "social expectations," and Gender identity definition. Then you got that whole other shitstorm of "if you feel feminine then you're a woman/masculine then you're a man/not particularly one or the other? Non-binary!" bullshit.

[–]Shadow_Lurker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For TRAs, from what I seen, it looks like they use "gender" as the shorter way of saying "gender identity"

Yup. The TRAs define gender as a identity, form of expression that is individual and subjective only.

I've seen some define it as the original/euphemism for sex

This is what most people think gender is.

the "social expectations

This one is more in tune with the radical feminist definition.

Gender as a term is has been used by so many people and ideologies. It's crazy, really.

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. The TRAs define gender as a identity, form of expression that is individual and subjective only

Figured.

is what most people think gender is

That's what it is majority of the time since the Money/RadFem definition is still considered a neologism and non-"GC" still use it as sex.

Gender as a term is has been used by so many people and ideologies. It's crazy, really.

I wished it just went back to being normal. As in the popular usage. Either meaning what it used to be specifically (grammatical gender and/or euphemism for sex) or just dropped completely, with maybe the exception for grammar.